But I’m on the second episode and I guess the Christian god just canonically exists in this show? Crosses and holy water and shit work on vampires. Seems like a bold choice for a show to say “uh yeh that deity canonically exists in our show but I guess it’s just indifferent or whatever?”

Maybe this gets lampshaded at some point but in the second episode it’s weird as fuck lol

  • LeninsRage [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Just as a heads up, the first season is quite rough and has a couple of the worst episodes in the whole series, but the finale is pretty well-regarded. They were still finding their feet

    Second season is still sanding the edges and is full-length, but has a very emotionally impactful back half and introduces fan-favorite character Spike.

    Third season is overall my favorite season of the show and is where it really hit its stride. Season five is regarded more generally as the best season of the show. Season six is the worst season by a fair margin IMO.

    So don't get discouraged if the first season seems bad, it gets better if you stick with it.

    • Ericthescruffy [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Agree with you on most buuuuut:

      Season six is the worst season by a fair margin IMO.

      Hot take from someone who used to feel this way: actually season six is far and away the best season and was just way ahead of its time. So many of its themes and its stories just felt oddly depressing and mean spirited for the show when it first aired but my god does it border on prophetic. Just look at the big bad of that season.

      Back then, even the show in one episode kinda shrugged at the audience reactions of them as being Joke villains. Today...they might honestly be the most terrifying villains of the show because they're absolutely 100% what would happen if you gave redpilled incel nerds magic and scifi tech. What other show was even talking about misogyny and shit like this in nerd culture at the time? Likewise the way it talked about depression and the millennial struggle of feeling sort of trapped between childhood and adulthood is so much more on point now than it was at the time. Magic as a drug analog I do think is still something of a stretch...but the way it approached the subject of addiction was still pretty wild for a network show about witches and vampires.

      Edit: also always worth noting that Season 6 is when Whedon went off to do Firefly and as a result this season has the least amount of his influence by far. At the time that was a huge mark against it...but again....in hindsight.....

      • LeninsRage [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The themes of young adult depression were fine, I personally don't like season six because season five had that finality to it and that was very abruptly reversed because it was revived by another network; and also because I agree with the more general opinion on why it was bad, that being that changing magic use into a metaphor for drug addiction was bad and retroactively hurt its previous thematic role in the series.

        • Ericthescruffy [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I do agree that magic as drug addiction is still the biggest misstep in the season...but even that one I've softened on a bit even if I do consider it a botched execution. You say its previous thematic role in the series is hurt by it, but I would argue that the overlap between magic/occultism and drugs was thematically kinda a thing going back to at least season 2 if not earlier. See: Giles past as ripper and the summoning of Eyghon, or the candy that turned everyone into teenagers. Magic as a factor in abusive relationships is also a pretty consistent theme also since season one such as with Amy's mom.

          I would argue the biggest problem with the metaphor in season 6 is that they went too far and made it too literal to the point it feels incompatible with the mechanics of the world up to and after that point. I think there actually was an interesting story to tell in the way Willow became dependent on magic to handle all of her problems and the way she used it against the consent of Tara to solve relationship issues. The magical crack-house though....I don't know who came up with that but that was a bit too on the nose and head scratching. I guess since it was the early 00s they were worried people wouldn't understand the issue without that or something.

    • Rem [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Is three the one with spike? I enjoyed that one a lot, the season after the one with spike felt like a mess and I stopped watching

      • LeninsRage [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Spike has a guest appearance in one of the season's best episodes where he gives Buffy and Angel relationship advice. But he doesn't become a series regular until season four when they put the chip in his head (ugh)

        • Rem [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          I LOVED THAT EPISODE

          it was the only thing that kept me watching that season for longer , but then I realized the rest of it was still p bad

          They put a what in his what?

          • LeninsRage [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            In Season Four theres an amusing subversion of the "old villain returns and has a sinister monologue watching the heroes" trope where he starts and immediately gets stunned and captured by some military guys called the Initiative. They put a chip in his head that shocks him when he tries to do violence to humans. He escapes and appeals to the Scooby Gang for help, they think helping a sociopathic vampire be able to kill again is a bad idea, so he mostly just hangs around for the rest of the show being their frienemy (he finds a loophole that he can fight monsters and demons without triggering the chip, and in later seasons goes through a serious character arc of his own).

            It was mostly a lazy plot device to get a logical excuse to keep Spike as a regular,, he fills a niche of being a ruthless soulless vampire (in contrast to Angel) who could both play Devil's Advocate or be comic relief depending on the situation.

            • Rem [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              Huh. Idk if I like that. Huh. :huh: