inform him that 1) covid actually has a higher mortality rate than polio 2) viruses, like polio, can have long term side effects i.e. post-polio syndrome and the potential for such from covid is literally unknown, 3) repeated infections from a poorly understood virus that affects literally every organ system (most of the body has ACE2 receptors) is much more "fucking with your immune system" than taking a vaccine is, 4) ask him how he thinks his heart will be doing if repeated covid infections result in clotting throughout the body and the destruction of small blood vessels (like the ones that feed the heart)
on 3) nobody fucking cares. I had the same argument with a friend of my wife, who claimed all of these kids dropping dead from myocarditis and clots after the vaccine but i told her - funny covid causes heart failure AND clots that turns your blood vessels into spaghetti so what the fuck gives. And she was like "buh buh the medical examiner in florida said it was the vaccine".
Medical examiners in Florida aren't required to be physicians, medical examiners are only more credible than coroners because coroners could legit just be a former gas station clerk elected because they have a walk in freezer. The entire death examination system in the US is fucking borked
It's completel pants on head bonkers that coroners and medical examiners in most of the US are elected positions with no medical qualifications required.
And, like, obviously, you can easily cover up goddamn near anything if you're already going on the opinion of some weirdo off the street as to how someone died. Let's see, burn marks, rope marks around the neck, three bullets in the back of the head? He's black so it's probably suicide, that's what I'm putting on the report.
fun fact, I learned about the lack of standards when the Uvalde Coroner was called into the mass shooting and he had to get help from the Medical Examiner in San Antonio because that city does have a medical license as a requirement.
Because there is no local medical examiner's office, the Justice of the Peace regularly steps in as the county coroner, in addition to presiding over misdemeanor court cases, small civil disputes, and marriage ceremonies.
The case was so grisly, and so unlike anything he'd ever had to face, that it required extra help from the Bexar County Medical Examiner in San Antonio.
It's just so funny that I operate on knowledge gained from reading about incredibly traumatic and factual information - such as "coroners and medical examiners often do not require medical expertise..ask me how I know" and everyone else is just OPERATING ON FUCKING VIBES MAN
What even funnier is that the reason for coroners not requiring medical licenses in most rural areas and even in certain urban areas is that MDs would legitimately get paid better doing anything else, literally even the lowest paying specialties in medicine pay more than being a fucking coroner.
I'm pretty sure 99% of people have no idea how viruses/the immune system function at even a basic high school biology level, and I'm pretty sure that includes 99% of actual doctors and nurses at this point based on the attitudes I've seen.
I have been to a real, licensed doctor's office that had a Jesus Guiding the Surgeon print framed in a subwait area. The last hospital I spent time in had Joel Osteen on the waiting area TVs and mostly antimask nurses.
The US medical system is the worst value in the world and it's getting rapidly worse
Looks like my "when dealing with a newly emergent disease under terminal-stage capitalism, always assume the most nightmarish biological and political outcomes" strategy of risk assessment is racking up more wins. Kind of a mouthful though, needs a name. Dietrick's Razor?
A highly virulent virus that can evade immunity and damage any part of the body with ACE2 receptors is bad and will absolutely accumulate damage. Every time you get infected it's roll of the dice as to how much damage it does before your immune system can stop it. Hopefully with vaccines and antivirals that damage is insignificant.
inform him that 1) covid actually has a higher mortality rate than polio 2) viruses, like polio, can have long term side effects i.e. post-polio syndrome and the potential for such from covid is literally unknown, 3) repeated infections from a poorly understood virus that affects literally every organ system (most of the body has ACE2 receptors) is much more "fucking with your immune system" than taking a vaccine is, 4) ask him how he thinks his heart will be doing if repeated covid infections result in clotting throughout the body and the destruction of small blood vessels (like the ones that feed the heart)
on 3) nobody fucking cares. I had the same argument with a friend of my wife, who claimed all of these kids dropping dead from myocarditis and clots after the vaccine but i told her - funny covid causes heart failure AND clots that turns your blood vessels into spaghetti so what the fuck gives. And she was like "buh buh the medical examiner in florida said it was the vaccine".
Well there's your first mistake.
Medical examiners in Florida aren't required to be physicians, medical examiners are only more credible than coroners because coroners could legit just be a former gas station clerk elected because they have a walk in freezer. The entire death examination system in the US is fucking borked
I get you I should become a Florida coroner and just write murdered by police on every death reccord without even checking how they died
"it was cancer" "Those sick bastards"
For natural causes, the cause of death can be the CIA
I just told you I refuse to look at the bodies as I cannot be bothered
"Murdered"
"They died at the age of 79 from lung cancer"
"Okay, murdered by the fossil fuel industry"
I mean it'll work until you get found dead with two bullet holes and are ruled a suicide by the next bumfuck coroner that's brought in
work from Cuba
It's completel pants on head bonkers that coroners and medical examiners in most of the US are elected positions with no medical qualifications required.
And, like, obviously, you can easily cover up goddamn near anything if you're already going on the opinion of some weirdo off the street as to how someone died. Let's see, burn marks, rope marks around the neck, three bullets in the back of the head? He's black so it's probably suicide, that's what I'm putting on the report.
Pretty much this.
fun fact, I learned about the lack of standards when the Uvalde Coroner was called into the mass shooting and he had to get help from the Medical Examiner in San Antonio because that city does have a medical license as a requirement.
It's just so funny that I operate on knowledge gained from reading about incredibly traumatic and factual information - such as "coroners and medical examiners often do not require medical expertise..ask me how I know" and everyone else is just OPERATING ON FUCKING VIBES MAN
What even funnier is that the reason for coroners not requiring medical licenses in most rural areas and even in certain urban areas is that MDs would legitimately get paid better doing anything else, literally even the lowest paying specialties in medicine pay more than being a fucking coroner.
point 3 is the big hitter, it's insane to me that nobody considers long term side effects of covid in these conversations
I'm pretty sure 99% of people have no idea how viruses/the immune system function at even a basic high school biology level, and I'm pretty sure that includes 99% of actual doctors and nurses at this point based on the attitudes I've seen.
I have been to a real, licensed doctor's office that had a Jesus Guiding the Surgeon print framed in a subwait area. The last hospital I spent time in had Joel Osteen on the waiting area TVs and mostly antimask nurses.
The US medical system is the worst value in the world and it's getting rapidly worse
TBF that painting is fucking hilarious. I love all the memes, too.
"BRO wtf don't take that out! I just put that tumor in there!"
It is abso-fucking-lutely hilarious
But try not looking at it a bunch and snickering while you wait for ages. Difficulty: impossible
The long term effects we already know about are horrifying, and I'm starting to see people on twitter posting studies that say it's cumulative.
Looks like my "when dealing with a newly emergent disease under terminal-stage capitalism, always assume the most nightmarish biological and political outcomes" strategy of risk assessment is racking up more wins. Kind of a mouthful though, needs a name. Dietrick's Razor?
A highly virulent virus that can evade immunity and damage any part of the body with ACE2 receptors is bad and will absolutely accumulate damage. Every time you get infected it's roll of the dice as to how much damage it does before your immune system can stop it. Hopefully with vaccines and antivirals that damage is insignificant.