Prior to the conflict, I wasn't a fan of liberals. But at least they were better than conservatives because they didn't want to glass the Middle East, protested against the Iraq war, made fun of right wing bullshit on Fox News, and didn't want to gun down Muslims or Hispanics. Or so I thought.
Liberals have gone full :frothingfash: and are literally regurgitating 1930s Nazi talking points about the Slavs. As I Russian speaker, I stopped going on most subreddits now due to the obscene racism. I've seen shit ranging from "Aktually, Ruzzians are not white or European" to "Lets break Russia up and commit mass ethnic cleansing". It's not even just Russians, I've seen a massive surge in racist posts about Chinese and Indian people since the war started.
Liberals are literally swallowing the most inane nonsense from Ukraine like "Russian orcs shocked at seeing toilets for the first time". And lets not forget the "Russian brainpan too smol to launch nukes so lets nuke them ourselves" posts all over :reddit-logo:
Anyone who even remotely suggests that we shouldn't arm and send 16 year old Ukrainians to be blown up in human wave attacks is called a Kremlin agent.
Amazingly, many right-wingers like Peterson or Candace Owens have better takes on the situation than liberals do. Does anyone have an explanation for this?
Most libs I know were in favor of the Iraq war, but turned quickly once it became obvious that it is turning into a failure.
I think they are spending so much energy on this because they can for once be perceived as righteously defending the victim of an evil invasion. No one was alive for WW2, and when it comes to Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Yemen etc, the US is the evil invading army. The rest of it is just libs being crazy libs as always, but they were more polite in public when it comes to Iraq, for example. They did support the war because of racism, but didn't say it openly. But here, the invading army is full of white guys. So they can finally do some race science as well! And advocate for a nuclear war, why not?
They are just reflexively being against what the mainstream liberal groupthink is. Just not in their usual crazy way like with most other things, because both Russians and Ukrainians are white.
those fucking pieces of shit thought it was OK as long as the UN signed on. our horrible war of aggression had international approval. russia doesn't. that's the difference to them.
Got a lib buddy at work, who was absolutely convinced that the majority of the American public opposed the war in Iraq from the start. Showed him Gallup polls with 70+% approval early on, and his first reaction was that it was pro-war propaganda from a niche outlet, and then when I was like "do you not see it says 'Gallup' at the top" he shifted to questioning their methodology. In his defense he was at college at the time so I think he may have been in a bit of a bubble, but it's still crazy how backwards typical American beliefs about events they personally experienced (ie, speaking to other Americans during this war) can be.
People just straight up edit their memories to conform with what they believe in the present. Memory is incredibly unreliable. I'm not even really sure when I began to oppose the Iraq war. I know it was fairly early, but I'm pretty sure I was in favor for at least the first couple of years. But it's all so long ago, and I was so young, and I really want to say I saw through the bullshit from the start even though I'm almost certain that's not true.
I was a person who opposed it from the start, and the only reason I am certain memory is correct is because I remember being bullied and teased specifically for being a traitor in hs for nor supporting the war.