Of course, GDP Per capita doesn't account for income inequality which is far worse in Ukraine than China.

    • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      The same thing they want to happen again in the 2020s, no joke straight from Zelensky they want a repeat of the liberalization on the bits of the economy still under nominal state control in Ukraine like agriculture.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Absolute pure fucking rage. I've been studying this for years and I had no idea the British murdered another four million fucking people in Iran. Or maybe they murdered four million people, because we don't know, because no one cared enough to count.

            DAE Stalin Holodomor? DAE FUCKING THERE ARE CAPITALIST FAMINES WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH OF A SHIT TO RECORD THEM BECAUSE BROWN PEOPLE WERE THE ONLY ONE'S EFFECTED?!@

            • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              The British government blamed the situation on hoarding, inefficient distribution and an inadequate transport system, but Washington suspected that the British had deliberately manipulated the food supply to further their own political objectives. Meanwhile, the Soviets banned food shipments from the north, claimed that they needed the resources for the people and soldiers fighting the Germans and blamed British mismanagement for the famine since no similar conditions existed in the Soviet-held areas. The Iranian public accused the Allies of looting the country and pushing Iran into inflation and starvation.

              Just purely British looting. The liquidation of the food infrastructure to generate profit for industrialists during war. Eventually the Soviets sent food aid, but that was after the famine got really bad and the British has spent a lot of time just bloviating about how backwards and uncivilized the starving Iranians were.

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  • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    The GDP per capita is purposely misleading, Ukrainian population is on a massive decline ever since the end of the USSR source. It hit a peak right at the end of the USSR after a solid 4 decades of growth.

    Literaly richer per capita because there are fewer Ukrainians though I'm sure there is more detailed analysis somewhere. As far as the Marxist analysis though Ukraine never recovered from the shock therapy so this is completely meaningless, see Ukraine: the invasion of capital

    • Vampire [any]
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      2 years ago

      The claim about income inequality is also purposely misleading/wrong/fake.

    • TBooneChickens [they/them, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Interestingly, it looks like the population growth rate was lowering slowly from the 50's due to a steadily increasing mortality rate, which was then exacerbated by a precipitous drop in birth rate around the years of the collapse. Bonk

      • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Part of the reason for the lower birth rate around the collapse was brain drain, from the beginning of the fall around 1985 to the recovery in 2000 you can clearly see a new generation of young people that can't or wont leave the country anymore.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    All the Eastern Bloc states have similar curves. Not just a "temporary hiccup" in the adjustment from socialism to capitalism. The ones who were able to more quickly and seamlessly integrate into the imperial core (i.e. the Baltic states) saw a shallower curve than the states that were excluded from that but still had the wonders of capitalism forced on them (Russia, Ukraine), but they all experienced it.

    I feel this is an important counterpoint to westerners who talk about how communism "has always failed when attempted". Like, people in the USSR had a certain standard of living under communism. It took capitalism like 2 decades just to get to where things were under communism in Russia proper just from a national GDP perspective (I suspect, given income inequality, a working class Russian today is still worse off than they were in 1990). And in Ukraine, things have never recovered even from this angle. How is this not an obvious failure of capitalism?

      • The_Walkening [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        :maybe-later-kiddo: : Look, we're becoming capitalists and you'll all need to toughen up, buckos!

        Ukrainian Coal Miners: :kitty-cri:

      • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        This reminds me of a bunch of stuff that I had to read in college. Sure, quasi socialist economies all over Latin America were improving quality of life, but does that really count for anything if there isn't competition with international private capital?

      • supafuzz [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        China got all the Western fast food with none of the neoliberal strip-mining :deng-cowboy:

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  • Straight_Depth [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Interested to know what happened in that uptick post-2000 -- is that just due to foreign investment?

  • OgdenTO [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    People blame the curve drop after 2006 on Russia, the USSR and communism still somehow

  • Vampire [any]
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    2 years ago

    cringe energy off this post: "Ukraine drools China rools"