:ukkk: the Brits haven't even separated church and state and still have explicitly anti-Jewish and anti-Catholic statutes on the books. "Free World" country.
https://twitter.com/JasonLoch/status/1584559004713635845#m
The Catholic thing is deeply ingrained in the rules and traditions of the Royal Family ever since ol' Hank 8 went a bit axe happy after he broke ties with The Vatican and started the Reformation. That's why there was an uproar in certain monarchy circles when Charles started (or made public) his relationship with Camilla - who happens to be Catholic.
Please don't compare elites like literal "divine right" kings to the rest of men.
it was more that his kids kept u turning on which religion you were allowed to be without being executed.
Religious persecution is bad enough but alternating religious persecution is just silly. Everyone having to pretend to have always been secretly catholic and then having to pretend to have always been protestant not long later was getting ridiculous
lol, "there's nothing in the rules that says a Hindu can't choose priests," what an Air Bud ass loophole
Entering the legacy software stage of nation state, in which the parliament can't even keep up with the arcane racism from ye olde times
Sorry, our racism module only compiles on GCC versions > 1.1 and < 2.1 with linux kernels before version 2.2. We have one red hat v1.3 desktop that we always run it on. We dropped the anti-Hindu module because it kept throwing segfaults that we never found the cause of.
Just a reminder that the primary reason that :amerikkka: separated church and state was to solidify the concept of whiteness against an enslaved African population that was prone to uprisings.
not sure i understand the reasoning behind that, since the vast majority of New World slave owners were religious, the slaves often had Christianity forced onto them, and the concept of whiteness is believed in both by secular and religious authorities
I wrote a good comment a while ago, but the database suspension ate it. Let me try and run down the gist. While Freedom of Religion in the US existed beforehand, the concept of Whiteness wasn't really solidified until after Bacon's Rebellion in the late 1600's. One of the things often overlooked in US history, besides all the slave rebellions, is that the enslaved vastly outnumbered thenon-enslaved throughout most of Colonial America's existence. In order to try and temper that massive danger, the slaveowners tried to import more non-enslaved peoples over in the form of indentured servants and plain old poor people. But this required them pulling from all sort of locations to do so, and if you know your European history, you'll know that just because most of these people believe in Christ, doesn't mean that all these people agreed on how to do it, or coexist peacefully. Freedom of Religion became the way to ensure that all the whites had their choice of religion and that they weren't allowed to attack each other over it, nor was the government supposed to be able to takes sides.
I very much recommend reading the The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the United States of America by Gerald Horne and checking out this talk by Parenti Real History: Myths of the Founding Fathers, noting however, that all the criticism that Parenti has for the constitution still applies to Bill of Rights. Most of the "Rights" were bribes for the richer americans to get on board with the new Union. That they still benefited the poor was largely a coincidence in much the same way that poor whites in america will fight for tax cuts despite them largely benefiting the rich.
Oh! Another fun fact. The creation of Georgia was as a white's only anti-slavery colony as a means of acting as a firewall between the colonies and St Augustine, where Spain was arming runaway slaves to go back and perform raids on the colonies to put pressure on the Great Britain. :the-more-you-know:
The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the United States of America by Gerald Horne
Great book. "Settlers" is a controversial book even on the left, but this covers much of what that does with much less to object to.
Yeah, it's a heck of a read once you get through the massive info dump Horne uses to try and catch you up to speed in the first few chapters. So many rebellions. My big personal thing is trying to get a good understanding that led to changes of pretty regular slave uprisings to Brown's failure at Harper's Ferry. I'm guessing the annexation of Florida is gonna be a big player.
Not OP, but I think the gist of it is that religion was a major wedge between different Europeans, and was therefore an obstacle to establishing a unified "whiteness". By separating church and state, no one form of Christianity was favored over another, so the Catholics and the Puritans and the Anglicans and so on wouldn’t be compelled to fight one another. We forget how many millions of Europeans were killed over different forms of Christianity, and removing that stumbling block allowed the ideology of the settler colony to establish the white citizen and the black or brown other. In Chapter 1 of Black Marxism, Robinson touches on how Christianity failed to provide a unified European identity after the Reformation, which ultimately led to the formation of nationalist and racial ideologies in its place.
Thanks for following up! Just got around to reading this comment after a long day. I'll check out Horne's book. I've heard of it before but have yet to get my hands on a copy.
Given that the PM's role in ecclesiastical appointments has become increasingly formal, it's certainly arguable that the ban on Roman Catholics and Jews advising the Crown no longer serves any real purpose.
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Euro moment: When you accidentally create a loophole in your racist legislation because you're too racist to imagine it would ever apply to non-white subhumans.
lesbian sex was never outlawed in Britain as no one wanted to discuss lesbian sex with queen victoria. Literally to repressed to be homophobic
i grew up catholic and staunchly respect their anti-catholic stance
its for the best frfr
mostly British anti-Catholisism is just racism against Irish, Polish and Indian immigrants
honestly based. I am 'avin a zozzle at how much seethe this is causing
i'm not seething at a brown man getting to do british civil rituals, i'm seething that catholics and jews are still legally barred from doing these things; it seems incredibly backwards to me