After much heartache and heavy cost, the brave warriors of the Union of Social Democratic Tribes of Oceania have bought their freedom from the Perfidious English, liberated their comrades in Polynesia and Australia, and created a land where everyone from Freed American slaves to Flemish Refugees to Chinese Socialists can join together. Soon the Parliament will be dissolved in favour of a Council Republic.
Two problems remain
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Taking most of Australia somewhat suddenly means that now I have tanked my economy and standard of living having to provide Public Healthcare and Education to a few million starving semi-literate anglos.
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The Fucking French! HAAATTTTTEE!
Masterpiece :cmnd-marcos-pog: :fidel-salute-big:
On a scale of 1 to 10, how "on rails" is the progression in Vic3 as a nonwestern/un"developed" nation? Cuz if you can do something like this, it might be worth it. Is it possible to go even further and drive the Dutch out of Indonesia, for example? And obligatory fuck the french
So, the primary issue is "Unrecognised" status, which means that the Euros are super racist towards you. China et al enjoy this shitty status despite having the largest pop and GDP. Not only does it reduce prestige, but it also means others can declare war against you more easily, fuck you over without infamy, etc.
As far as I can tell, the only way out is to win (or at least risk) a war with a great power to force them to recognise you as a war goal. Kicking the Dutch out of Indonesia (a future goal) is definitely a way to do this.
In terms of economic and military power, only your development is an issue. In terms of prestige/ranking, you need to get out of Unrecognised status and force the Euros to see you as an equal.
I won the opium wars as China after convincing France to join so in the end the war was fought in the Caribbean after like 400 units crushed the 180 unit British Portuguese incursion from south China. So now the Brits are paying reparations and forced to recognize China. I’m also executing all the opium smugglers that keep demanding to see the British ambassador.
That fucking rules
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I think the whole "unrecognized" system is a lot better than the way they did it in Vic2. Where you start as "uncivilized", go through a process of "westernization", and then finally you can become "civilized"
Certainly it's worded better, but realistically you are pushed heavily towards adopting western economic and political systems just to survive, though you do have some leeway in "how" you do it.
well was that not the main struggle of the era for most peoples and nations ? Try to adopt western technology like industrialization to defend themselves but at the cost of their own traditions and way of life. This was the century capitalism conquered the world, and there's a reason why most people who resisted in that moment lost :sadness:
Yeah, but because other cultures aren't fleshed out, it's hard to, for example, achieve the cultural synthesis Japan managed in the 19th century. You Will Develop Romanticism. You Will Use Western Monoculture Agricultural Practices
I mean, considering how Capitalism spread by forcing people to adopt it and conquering those who didn't, this seems pretty spot on. Traditional tribal relations may be more egalitarian and good for the people living in them, but they don't exactly maximize rifle production.
Climate change will be reversing all of that and it's shame it takes catastrophe to do that.
Ah, yeah, that's not the best. The fact that the a lot of the "unrecognized" nations are even on the map is progress in itself, but I feel like it shouldn't be that hard to just do it justice in one go, rather than taking baby steps towards it.
Once I get a handle on the game I want to do an Indian Territory run, that seems like it would be fun, once you get going at least lol
I have a sneaking suspicion that they're gonna flesh out the "unrecognized" nations, but it's gonna be like a "Native Lands" DLC.
At least it has good modding support so we'll see overhauls that add better stuff for the colonized nations
Oh yeah I would honestly be surprised if they didn't do that at some point. I'm also looking forward to mods though, I bet we'll see some really good ones pop up before too long. If it goes the direction of HOI4, it might be a case where the game just serves as a bare-bones platform for mods that are much more fleshed out