Looking at mod groups. I'm pretty sure it's a bi-product of testing design changes and they just couldn't figure out where to put it. Will probably reappear.
With that said, I'm actually not against removing the display of downvotes. Data objectively shows they're harmful to activity and user behaviour. It's the worst part of reddit.
It was removed from reddit years ago. You can only see the overall score now instead of the individual numbers of upvotes and downvotes. IMO both being clearly visible like this site had before is better because it tells you whether or not that -15 post is just universally hated or controversial.
I'm referring to downvoting altogether. I misspoke in the other comment. I don't actually know what the data behind a display of downvotes is, but downvotes themselves have significant negative effects on overall user behaviour, activity and happiness. They also create circlejerk communities and I think a major concern right now is struggle sessions are potentially alienating various people for not conforming on some topics to ML views. If socdems and anarchists are alienated too hard (which is happening in some of the struggle threads) the site is just a second lemmy with no ability to attract libs and convert them.
Are you rebro? You come across just as combatively but maybe slightly less natural? I really don't understand why you're constantly rude though, stop acting like you're in a bar fight all the time, there's just no need for it. It comes off like a performance.
Not everyone who criticizes you is rebr0. If I come off combative it's because the litany of things this site has been doing wrong from the woke censoring, the dark mode default, the community splintering, the design shifts, etc. are almost solely negative in user impact.
When something improves I'm positive about it, but you see my negative comments on threads like these where you just removed all downvotes displaying. Seriously.
Nah don't give me that. There's a difference between constructive criticism and open hostility and personal attacks. Nobody has any problem with constructive criticism, everyone has a big problem with constantly be called names, personal attacks, ableism and other elements of the way you're expressing criticism.
The people are putting in absolutely constant work into things, flat out, and this behaviour serves only to demotivate people. In addition to that it comes across as if you're actively trying to get other users to engage in it too, and you're pretending that users are leaving when I demonstrated in the last thread that's not happening. It has made me wonder more than once if your intentions are harmful.
yeah do the developers want this to be like reddit? They have a donation button for a reason after all also wahts up with the increasing number of users but it doesnt correlate with site activity
User churn. Online communities are always in a permanent state of decline, activity always falling. New users are coming but they're currently basically just keeping the place at a steady level of activity. In order for new users to be producing more activity for the site the quantity of incoming users must be higher than the user churn itself.
hmmm im not a fan of isolationism like most of the posters here but unless its getting shilled constantly everywyhere in socialmedia i dont see how it can sustain growth over the 10 000 discord userbase
Being everywhere in social media is precisely what it needs, yes. Achieving that requires actually having resources of use that people elsewhere online want to link to though and building those takes time. Things like c/tactics will become resources that don't exist elsewhere that will be referred to often. Piggy backing on waves of influencer audiences is probably the largest ROI in terms of time invested and user waves though. Attracting influencers to come do Chapo interviews with the userbase will result in their userbases coming to Chapo to take part in the interviews and a portion of those waves of people would find various things they enjoy during their visit that causes them to re-visit later. Lots of leftist influencers are out there with hundreds of thousands in their audiences, we just need the right strategy to actually get them to come here, probably start with smaller ones and work upwards.
These are just thoughts I personally had for the record. I'm not an admin or even a sitewide mod.
i can assure you that will never happen site-wide . iirc lemmy has a per-community feature that allows you to disable downvotes? i could have dreamt that tho lol
we didn't actually hide them intentionally. it was something we meant to handle properly in the redesign but we were migrating to react at the same time that was happening. it really was just a big miss. there was a lot going on right then and we only had one FE dev at the time. we should have an update out later today that adds these back!
also, i checked, looks like that's an instance-wide feature, not a per community one. it's not something we will ever enable on our instance. that's not even something up for debate.
I'm glad you're fixing it, but it's reasonable to assume no one would have without this thread and people expressing their discontent with the issue, which is why these threads are important.
I agree with you, but the tone of this thread is incredibly reminiscent of the abuse we often receive in our day jobs which is really demoralizing. :(
we use this site too. we also hate dealing with some of the same things annoying like that live update bug that erased your comments or the live re-sorting. aaahh those are infuriating to think about
Looking at mod groups. I'm pretty sure it's a bi-product of testing design changes and they just couldn't figure out where to put it. Will probably reappear.
With that said, I'm actually not against removing the display of downvotes. Data objectively shows they're harmful to activity and user behaviour. It's the worst part of reddit.
It was removed from reddit years ago. You can only see the overall score now instead of the individual numbers of upvotes and downvotes. IMO both being clearly visible like this site had before is better because it tells you whether or not that -15 post is just universally hated or controversial.
I'm referring to downvoting altogether. I misspoke in the other comment. I don't actually know what the data behind a display of downvotes is, but downvotes themselves have significant negative effects on overall user behaviour, activity and happiness. They also create circlejerk communities and I think a major concern right now is struggle sessions are potentially alienating various people for not conforming on some topics to ML views. If socdems and anarchists are alienated too hard (which is happening in some of the struggle threads) the site is just a second lemmy with no ability to attract libs and convert them.
What the fuck? You want to actually entirely remove downvotes?
Do you workshop for the worst possible ideas or is it just what flows off the top of your head?
Are you rebro? You come across just as combatively but maybe slightly less natural? I really don't understand why you're constantly rude though, stop acting like you're in a bar fight all the time, there's just no need for it. It comes off like a performance.
Not everyone who criticizes you is rebr0. If I come off combative it's because the litany of things this site has been doing wrong from the woke censoring, the dark mode default, the community splintering, the design shifts, etc. are almost solely negative in user impact.
When something improves I'm positive about it, but you see my negative comments on threads like these where you just removed all downvotes displaying. Seriously.
Nah don't give me that. There's a difference between constructive criticism and open hostility and personal attacks. Nobody has any problem with constructive criticism, everyone has a big problem with constantly be called names, personal attacks, ableism and other elements of the way you're expressing criticism.
The people are putting in absolutely constant work into things, flat out, and this behaviour serves only to demotivate people. In addition to that it comes across as if you're actively trying to get other users to engage in it too, and you're pretending that users are leaving when I demonstrated in the last thread that's not happening. It has made me wonder more than once if your intentions are harmful.
Fuck activity
But but but... One of the most upbeared posts yesterday complained about activity decreasing.. They were wrong but it matters to people.
yeah do the developers want this to be like reddit? They have a donation button for a reason after all also wahts up with the increasing number of users but it doesnt correlate with site activity
User churn. Online communities are always in a permanent state of decline, activity always falling. New users are coming but they're currently basically just keeping the place at a steady level of activity. In order for new users to be producing more activity for the site the quantity of incoming users must be higher than the user churn itself.
hmmm im not a fan of isolationism like most of the posters here but unless its getting shilled constantly everywyhere in socialmedia i dont see how it can sustain growth over the 10 000 discord userbase
Being everywhere in social media is precisely what it needs, yes. Achieving that requires actually having resources of use that people elsewhere online want to link to though and building those takes time. Things like c/tactics will become resources that don't exist elsewhere that will be referred to often. Piggy backing on waves of influencer audiences is probably the largest ROI in terms of time invested and user waves though. Attracting influencers to come do Chapo interviews with the userbase will result in their userbases coming to Chapo to take part in the interviews and a portion of those waves of people would find various things they enjoy during their visit that causes them to re-visit later. Lots of leftist influencers are out there with hundreds of thousands in their audiences, we just need the right strategy to actually get them to come here, probably start with smaller ones and work upwards.
These are just thoughts I personally had for the record. I'm not an admin or even a sitewide mod.
Time to get the tiktok house to promote chapo.chat so we can lead the gen z revolution.
But on a serious note you're right, we need more visibility on the internet
The more you piss off people by ruining the only good things this site has over Reddit the more people will continue to leave.
Put the downvote display back, not this baby proof "only upvotes" trash.
oh the number displayed atm is actually the total score of the post, not just upvotes
I know that. I'm talking about awoo's idea of completely removing downvotes.
i can assure you that will never happen site-wide . iirc lemmy has a per-community feature that allows you to disable downvotes? i could have dreamt that tho lol
Shouldn't happen anywhere, and hiding downvotes is a step towards it.
we didn't actually hide them intentionally. it was something we meant to handle properly in the redesign but we were migrating to react at the same time that was happening. it really was just a big miss. there was a lot going on right then and we only had one FE dev at the time. we should have an update out later today that adds these back!
also, i checked, looks like that's an instance-wide feature, not a per community one. it's not something we will ever enable on our instance. that's not even something up for debate.
I'm glad you're fixing it, but it's reasonable to assume no one would have without this thread and people expressing their discontent with the issue, which is why these threads are important.
Thanks!
I agree with you, but the tone of this thread is incredibly reminiscent of the abuse we often receive in our day jobs which is really demoralizing. :(
we use this site too. we also hate dealing with some of the same things annoying like that live update bug that erased your comments or the live re-sorting. aaahh those are infuriating to think about
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Don't do that please, last time we tried that the site went down, please don't fuck the servers or their data. @VolcelPolice pls
data has a good ass, you should fuck him
lore has the same ass, also probably more wild :^)
@VolcelPolice pls :volcel-vanguard: