Yeah my b :shrug-outta-hecks: I try not to be sectarian and there is a lot of anarchist theory I agree with, but to call Makhnovshchina the only example of socialism is preposterous because they didn't control their own industrial production, survived military conflicts due to the larger engagement of the whites and reds, and were too disorganized on a larger scale to ever stand as a stable state, much less a truly socialist one, in the face of encroaching capitalist powers.
I remember I originally read about it on this site, but I'd need to dig for a source. If I find it I'll update, but as always I could always use more sources because these details tend to get murky
I should also add that as far as I'm aware, Makhno himself was not antisemitic (although the more I read about him, the more my opinion of him sours), but at a peak size of 30,000, Makhnovists were largely unorganized, and some groups committed hate crimes, and Makhno did not do enough to stop such occurences. I have also heard that some of them were infiltrators from other factions, and other murders were committed by said parties.
Socialism is when your followers go around the countryside killing ethnic minorities and communists and you never really do anything about it
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Yeah my b :shrug-outta-hecks: I try not to be sectarian and there is a lot of anarchist theory I agree with, but to call Makhnovshchina the only example of socialism is preposterous because they didn't control their own industrial production, survived military conflicts due to the larger engagement of the whites and reds, and were too disorganized on a larger scale to ever stand as a stable state, much less a truly socialist one, in the face of encroaching capitalist powers.
Can I can a Makh-no?
Do you have any sources/further reading on this?
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I remember I originally read about it on this site, but I'd need to dig for a source. If I find it I'll update, but as always I could always use more sources because these details tend to get murky
I should also add that as far as I'm aware, Makhno himself was not antisemitic (although the more I read about him, the more my opinion of him sours), but at a peak size of 30,000, Makhnovists were largely unorganized, and some groups committed hate crimes, and Makhno did not do enough to stop such occurences. I have also heard that some of them were infiltrators from other factions, and other murders were committed by said parties.
Gotta read widely on this one. Liberals, commies, and anarchists all have their fair share of bad takes on Makhno.
This is a decent place to start, but I gotta emphasize, read widely: https://libcom.org/article/russian-anarchists-and-civil-war-paul-avrich