I have a feeling that "Russia invading the Donbas is as bad as Nazi Germany taking the Sudetenland" doesn't really hold up. I'm admittedly not a historian though
originally seen on neolib Twitter and then traced back to here
Uhh, well, for one, the Russians haven't murdered 3 million Polish Jews and 3 million ethnic Poles.
This is just one more example of the constantly shifting, splitting, and multiplying swarm of holocaust denial, double genocide, and historical revisionism that the supporters of this war are aggressively spreading.
I'm begging the libs to learn History that isn't just American WWII documentaries
Bold of you to assume they even get it from documentaries. They watch 2 movies and just assume that's how it was. Enemy at the Gates was very effective at convincing a legion of fuckwits that the Red Army only had 1 rifle for every 2 conscripts at Stalingrad and that they machinegunned their own soldiers as a lark.
I went to an international baccalaureate school and they made us watch that in sophomore history:deeper-sadness:
I was already a Soviet-sympathetic Communist, I just thought that it was an act of desperation to hold the Nazis back
Hell, when they showed us that biopic on Stalin they probably assumed it would make us hate him
Instead we all thought he was cool, especially when he put his cigar out on that guy
Putin is not a Nazi that's the big difference. His motivations might not be sugardrops and rainbows but he isn't interested in ethnic cleansing.
r/tankiejerk is one of the worst places on the internet. It's so bad and everyone there is so dumb sometimes I wonder if nuclear annihilation is the answer just to wipe off the 5 users.
Its more 'throw up' and not explanations of theory
Remember when Hitler forcibly annexed Czechoslovakia and both France and the UK applauded and said "there you go my good boy is that good enough for you yet please suit yourself!" as millions of people got fucked over night?
Remember when Russia forcibly annexed a part of Ukraine and both EU and the US almost started WW3 and thew the world into a huge economic crisis? "A sham referendum is not democracy" or some copium shit they say.
I wonder why so different this time!
because the nazis are getting annexed this time lol
I agree, Nazis invading a neighboring polity is a crime against humanity. In fact, anyone who even say, funds and arms them to do so should never be trusted about anything ever again.
Also they fucked up the formatting, I genuinely thought the strawman opinion was coming from the chad.
No, it doesn't hold up at all. Russia is basically just emulating the US but on a lag.
I'm seriously surprised by how poorly Russia is doing. It makes sense based on how everything's played out, but it's baffling that Russia wasn't better prepared for this eventuality. Western foreign policy experts of many sorts have talked up the Russian invasion of Ukraine for almost 30 years (almost 20 at the time of the Russo-Ukraine War breaking out). It was always in the context of what would happen should the West make serious overtures regarding NATO/EU membership for Ukraine. Hell, iit was speculated on almost as soon as the USSR was dissolved, no doubt even beforehand in the event that it did dissolve in some circles.
Even if we pretend the 2014 origins of the Russo-Ukraine War came from nowhere, Putin has had 8 years to prepare for what I'd consider to be totally predictable... Not only is it the same playbook the CIA ran beforehand and during the Soviet-Afghan invasion, but the US had just withdrawn from Afghanistan and the defense contractors whose financial interests are served by our media and natsec state would clearly be looking for new avenues to launder US taxpayer money. If history isn't accelerating and pretenses are still needed, we should see a US invasion of Ukraine before 2045 related to stopping ultranationalist terrorism spawned by... CIA training, money, weapons, and surveillance equipment...
We don't really know how Russia is doing, or at least it's hard to tell definitively. We don't really know what their goals were going in. We don't really know if there were any optional goals that they would have liked, but weren't top priorities. We don't really know what their losses look like, what expectations were, and how much they are willing to bear. We don't really know what contingencies they planned for, and how far outside of those contingencies we are, if at all. We don't really know if the broader implications of this war (Destroying a bunch of European economies? Deepening commercial ties between Russia, China, and India?) will outweigh any unexpected costs.
Hell, we don't even have a decent idea of what Ukraine's internal situation is really like. Can they make it through the winter?
If we take them at face value. Nazis openly sated they had a manafest destiny idea. Russia, is talking about solidifying a disputed border. Not really the same.
