• hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    they’ll have had good practice at subduing a population

    Stuff like this shouldn't be taken lightly, but there's still a big difference between setting up a checkpoint and subduing a population that puts up even cursory resistance. It's fun to play crossing guard until it involves getting shot at.

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      My point isnt that what theyre doing is effective only to point out what level of organisation they are currently at

      Ask yourself this: could you group together 5-6 people to go setup a checkpoint?

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        Ask yourself this: could you group together 5-6 people to go setup a checkpoint?

        How impressive is getting a few friends together to do something when there's no risk involved? It's not nothing, but the real test comes when you stand to lose something. A few people going to a protest, for example, face a far greater possibility of arrest, bodily harm, or some chud coming around threatening them than anything these guys realistically face. They're certainly not "subduing a population."

        • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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          Setting up check points and stopping and searching peopleis literally the definition of subduing a population

          Look at literally any occupation force in the last 200 years and you see they use that tactic as a form of social control

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            "Subdue" implies resistance. If I ask you to hand me a bottle of water, and you comply, I didn't "subdue" you. Checkpoints are a part of subduing a population, but they alone aren't it, not even close. Look at Iraq or Afghanistan or Vietnam -- we did a whole hell of a lot more than checkpoints, and we still didn't effectively subdue those populations.

            Right now, this is LARPing. LARPing as paramilitary goons is still bad because that helps people get psyched up to do the real thing, but it's piss poor preparation for having to deal with even cursory resistance. It's the difference between me acting tough while I ask you to hand over that water bottle and me actually having to deal with you punching me in the face.

            • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Lets try your analogy

              If you ask me for my bottle of water ill tell you to fuck off

              If you ask me for a bottle of water carrying an AR15 with five of your mates holding AR15s which wont let me pass to where im going ill go fuck it have it

              I have been subdued

               transitive verb
              
              To subjugate (a region or people, for example) by military force.
              transitive verb
              To bring under control by physical force, persuasion, or other means; overcome.
              

              You guys need to quit with the "larping"

              LARP stands for live action role play where people would renact wars in an environment where everyone knows it is make believe

              If i take 5 mates out with guns and setup checkpoints...that is literally the opposite of a larp

              • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                How does this prepare those guys to get shot at? How does it prepare them for finding the people who would shoot at them?

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                  Dunno mate why do US army setup check points all over the countries they invade?

                  How does that prepare the US army to find the people who would shoot at them?

                  Why have people, in the last 1000 years, setup checkpoints as a form of population subjugation and warfare?

                  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    How does that prepare the US army to find the people who would shoot at them?

                    Does the Army do anything besides set up checkpoints?