To all dorks saying "Nihilism isn't about being depressed, it's about [text length of an average leftist meme]" I just ate a really good garlic bread and don't give a shit about what niche-ee had to say. All that time you spent typing out your dork 95 thesis on posting could have been used that to make some delicious garlic bread but you didn't
I would be a depressed nihilist if I were you, a person sans garlic bread
Coat whole peeled garlic with olive oil in an oven safe bowl or dish, roast it in the oven at °425 for like 20-30 minutes. Bam. Garlic confit and garlic infused olive oil. Confit Keeps in the fridge for a few weeks. Take some of your confit and mash it together with butter, some of the olive oil, and whatever seasonings you have. Honey or something spicy is a good twist. Spread on bread with cheese then throw it in the oven
Your OP meme is nihilist and existentialist. The “yet we dance” is saying “yes there’s no meaning, yet we dance”. That’s an existential nihilist position
Are you getting mad at your own meme?
Mad at dorks trying to make me learn philosophy
I will never read philosophy or theory
The Gay Sciences indeed
existential nihilism doesn't require that there is no meaning, just that there is no inherent meaning. Meaning can still be created and received through recognition of others.
Those who stop at the breakdown of old morality and wallow in filth are nothinglords who missed the point of breaking down the old social constructs, that is, to build new better ones and even later break those down again and so on... That is what history is, that is what the dialectic is - the eternal process of change and exchange.
There is objectively no meaning in the universe, but IMO nihilism is cringe. Absurdism is the way to go.
Yeah I definitely am more sympathetic to Hegelian ideas of meaning, in that I believe the connections and dialectical relation between people is where meaning is created and received. Meaning originates in the area between you and I, we both create it and then get it back - that is between two equal comrades.
There’s all types of unequal relations such as master-slave or tenant-landlord or employee-employer or two parties at total war. These create distorted and off balanced meaning that has to be enforced with violence and are filled with contradiction. At some point they will necessarily end.
I certainly find De Bouviourvian goals in life and such, but ultimately looking for a “meaning of life” is a foolish task, because it is just our culture that told us it is out there. Ultimately we will leave this absurd world and find ourselves worm food.
I mean “the meaning of life” is a myth. You can find it meaningful but there isn’t some answer out there.
Think of it like free will. When most people think of it they think “a specific person could make any decision physically possible” and imply they might make a different one if you went back in time. Instead we do make decisions freely, but those decisions are completely determined by the way our mind works and the influences we have encountered.
The point I’m trying to make is that it can exist, but it’s different from how people colloquially imagine it (say, someone asking an omniscient being “what is the meaning of life?”).
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. It’s rather absurd that I get to live at all.
I feel like I understand the Buddha better as years go by. I want to enjoy this strange and mysterious opportunity to be without becoming too attached to all these temporary things, myself included. Indeed, my life today looks nothing like it did 10 years ago. I’m not sure I am the same person. In many ways, it’s like every day we die and become something new.
happy for you that your quality of life is enough that it's "get to" and not "have to".
even the poorest monk can find moments of joy and happiness that give meaning. I wouldn't be blasé
fuck yeah bro give me 1 second of joy and 86.359 seconds of misery every day and i'll love life bro
For context I was born a poor Egyptian and lived through the so-called Arab spring and personally saw murder and death. I’m not some coddled imperialist, and I feel like I have a better connection to life than the comfortable yanks
congrats on dodging the myriad mental illnesses you could've caught from that trauma. do you have an effective clinical treatment for major depression or just survivorship bias?
Oh I have all kinds of mental illnesses you obviously don’t follow my posting notoriety do you?
i don't really retain usernames, reddit habit.
anyway, the ratio as previously described should not be acceptable to people, and to me it sounds exactly like liberal "know your place" kinda shit to say it is.
Who said it should be acceptable? You are drawing all kinds of conclusions I never said.
For me, life is always worth experiencing regardless of said “ratio”. That’s an entirely separate issue of how we ought to arrange society or what standards we should accept
I fundamentally reject such crude utilitarian calculuses of life as Malthusian and not life affirming. This type of utilitarian calculus is what leads to Canada euthanizing all of its mentally ill population
Palestinians in Gaza are experiencing hell, and facing it bravely. Should they all commit suicide to escape their “bad ratios”? Should they flee to another country and let the Zionists win since it would improve their own lives? Should they cease to have children when they may face bad ratios?
There is more to life than pleasure and pain. Sometimes we need optimism and faith and collective purpose.
suppose it's only fair that you take a turn at drawing conclusions i never said, and it's absolutely wild to romanticize getting genocided.
The Palestinians who die in battle are glorious martyrs. There's no undue "romanticization" they are heroes beyond anything you or I could ever accomplish. Maybe you can't see this in your malthusian calculus, and that's why you would never understand their resilience or be able to do it yourself.
It’s obviously horrible that they are experiencing genocide, the mindset they have that allows them to endure it is a revolutionary spirit that your antinatalist Malthusian cynicism could never create. I’m asking you to please think like a Palestinian with optimism. Should they stop having kids cause bad ratios? Doesn’t your defeatism assist the genocide? Should the Palestinians not have revolutionary faith and optimism despite all odds?
that's a rather 19th century view of conflict. the framework that culminated in world war 1. I expect that ideology from the colonizers doing the genocide not from us who condemn them.
there's no honor in fighting, only a tragedy that some of us have no other choice.
There’s no honor in fighting against the Zionist entity? You want to come and say those fighting words to my face godless westoid? Maybe consider the lack of bravery, revolutionary faith, optimism and honor as some of the primary problems with the failed western left (along with the social-chauvinism of course).
honor and a bowl of soup will fill your belly. a lack of idealism isn't anyone's problem.
Your namesake had honor and faith and did what was right despite it ending his family. You are a bit of a hypocrite here. The one good American cracker proves my point. John Brown had an intuitive understanding of his place in the world, the equality between all beings that had to be brought about, his role in the spirit of revolution. He did not follow pleasure and pain but a revolutionary faith.
your point is severely undermined by the fact that people of faith were also on the other side of the conflict, using their mystical beliefs to uphold and defend the institution.
if we're honest, the one good cracker was a stopped clock.
There were millions of liberal abolitionist reformists and not one of them had what it took to spark the necessary revolution. Only the one with an irrational faith took that step
I don’t claim that it’s universally worthwhile. It just is what it is until it isn’t.
And it isn't what it isn't until it is. Swapping around words and dualities is not wisdom, it's sophistry.
I believe you're missing the forest for the trees. Words are signposts, tools. It doesn't mean literal vacuous truth. The phrase is illustrative, of course.
In this case, "is what it is" means forgoing judgement because it doesn't change what already is the case. This seems fundamental to Buddhist teaching that was mentioned in the root comment. This attachment and resistance is, to some interpretations, the source of suffering. At least that's how it was taught to me during my short time living at my local temple.
"Until it isn't" refers to death.
I'm not missing the forest for the trees, I'm telling you that you are looking at a desert with a scrub brush, insistent it's a forest.
It is vacancy masquerading as truth. I am perfectly aware of Buddhist dualisms and detachment theory. However, per Wittgenstein, there is no real wisdom or metaphysical truth to be gained in phraseology and word games. Particularly if they are readily interchangable with their contradictions. It can be fun, but not nessecerily wise or meaningful.
'Isn't what it isn't" means foregoing judgement because it doesn't change what already isn't the case. This attachment and resistance is, to some interpretation, the source of suffering.
'Until it is' refers to death.
However, per Wittgenstein, there is no real wisdom or metaphysical truth to be gained in phraseology and word games.
They aren't playing word games, you are merely interpreting that way. They are conveying a message via the words to you, one you reject without reason
The meaning or lack thereof of life doesn't abrogate your responsibility in life: to change the world for the better. This could be as impactful as being the architect of a world-historic event and it could be as modest as being a good role model for kids who will grow up to not fuck up as much as you. But everyone has this responsibility, and this responsibility is completely orthogonal to whether life has meaning or not.
There's nothing more meaningless to question whether life has meaning or not.
Bourgeois absurdism. You can only be a nihilist if you can afford to not care. The rest of us are forced into Sisyphusification by that same meaninglessness.
Eternal recurrence but it's me putting my makeup on every morning.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I want you to know this was a really good point ignoring the sissy hypno memes lol.
Too much thinking in this thread when obviously you should just flow like a river and smoke weed
I don't give a shit if God is dead, I want to know if God is giving head?
"What if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest jerk off, and say to you, "This goon sesh as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it other than me sucking you off? but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and cumsplosion everything unutterably small or great in your Armenian conveyor belt with your bros will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence" ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: "You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine."
the wrong things turn to dust and the wrong things turn into the stones we build our world on
