https://twitter.com/ClaireMax/status/1780781077604544953
Women will be like "hear me out" and show you popular Hollywood actor Walton Goggins
I mean personally this guy looks very strange to me without the makeup on. I wouldn’t consider him conventionally attractive.
Well I didn't say he was physically attractive, I said he was popular
Also from what I understand based on osmosis from memes women don't want a gigachad they want this:
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Jack Black is a funny guy and he can sing good, what's not to love?
Perhaps my frustrations with women are from not being large enough of an adult son
A lot of men like to justify their shallowness by imagining that women are just as shallow in order to justify it.
The Jordan Peterson sub is particularly funny. Some of them do achieve wealthy status, get all the expensive clothes and cars, then make posts asking why women don't want to talk to them despite obtaining "everything" they want. And then JP adjacent people on twitter are flabbergasted when some hot woman dates a guy who isn't rich nor a catwalk model and try to philosophize "there's something going on with women...."
I remember seeing many arguments that it's better to take advice on "getting women" from men who get a lot of women than from actual women. The irony is lost on them
everyone’s “shallow”, people are attracted to more (conventionally) attractive people
No, just a wrong thing, since you specifically said "conventionally" attractive. As others have pointed out to you, that isn't the case. Which is the point of the meme were all responding to.
That's a very naive thing to say. Physically "attractive" is subjective and a very poor way to judge the compatibility of a long term partner.
But sure, if you want to be a slave to whatever your society raised you to think is socially acceptable, be my guest.
Not everyone's attracted to the same things, not everyone is primarily attracted to physical features, not everyone is even allosexual in the first place, please pull your head out of your ass and realize that not everybody see the world like an average cishet dude, you mansplaining dingus.
You said everybody is shallow because everybody is into conventionally attractive people. That's literally what you said in your post. And it's utter bullshit. So i gave you a very short and by no means exhaustive list of examples why people would not be attracted to conventionally attractive people. I and other people could go on for hours who else would disagree with you. "Conventionally attractive" is an inherently cisnormative, heteronormative aesthetic, most people i hang out with do not resonate with it at all. That's not even getting into the rampant fatphobia and the white supremacist thinking that's also baked into the accepted concept of "conventionally attractive". And many of the acespec people i know just do not judge attraction primarily by physical features and do not get how you can already tell a person is hot just by looking at them. Your entire assumption of what "everybody" finds attractive just very quickly stops to work outside of your little straight people world. ofc i'm gonna call that out. That's not even beginning to unpack your implicit assumptions about valueing physical attractiveness higher than other traits when determining how attractive a person is.
The term conventionally attractive already means that it's an artificial societal standard that's forced on people against their will, against their natural desires, and frequently against their needs. That's what "convention" means in a societal context: an enforced and policed norm.
Stop moving the goalposts and putting words in my mouth, stop weaponizing identities against marginalized comrades, stop being a fucking debate pervert arguing in bad faith and for fuck's sake stop your fucking incel apologia.
Most people are attracted to conventionally attractive people, but what is considered attractive is actually pretty wide and deep when you start to ask around.
I feel like influencers are less than 1% of the population. Besides you're talking about a job that attracts shallow people specifically.
As the other person says, everybody ain’t an influencer.
Perhaps, you should get off Instagram and interact with regular people and not vapid influencers.
i'm not on instagram. but everyone else seems to be.
i'm not attractive. my brother is. when we walk around together girls look at him. they never look at me. it's ok i am married to an awesome lady. but it's pretty obvious that girls like hot guys just as much as guys like hot girls. and that everyone just settles for what is obtainable at the end of the day.
what most people do is find someone with a personality they can tolerate who is as hot as they can attract to themselves.
there is such a thing as pretty privilege.
Hot is subjective my guy.
There are as many girls that are not as you described there. You just have to look in different places.
hot is subjective but there are general trends among large majoritires of men and women of who they consider attractive.
Some years back a friend of mine proposed a model where there are various different aggregates of personality and physical traits. Within each type, people see what confirms their preferences or dispositions to be "hot", and what goes against these concepts to be "not hot". As a result, there's a consistent clustering of people, and a symmetry in how they order each other, where if you see people in cluster A as a 9, it'll look like hot people getting with hot people, while people in cluster B might each see the cluster A people as a 2 and vice versa. Relativism of attraction with consistency.
that sounds smart.
i am trapped inside of my own subjectivity.
have you seen instagram influencers?
Imagine going on instagram. Literally who?
i don't use instagram but i still know what an instagram influencer is.
I mean there's all sorts of people out there, some women are in fact incredibly shallow. So are some men. Realizing that genders aren't monolithic beings that you interact with identical avatars of is probably the first lesson these losers should be taking to heart. Another one is that other people being shitty doesn't justify doing so yourself. It's a pathetic cope for sure.
Oh, of course, gender is bullshit.
I was more talking about socialisation. Men aren't naturally more shallow than women, but they are socialised to commodify them. "Society says you've made it if you have this house, this car, this type of woman." So a lot of them end up objectifying women they same way they would a car, as a product to indicate wealth.
It's the exact conditioning grifters like Jordan Peterson tap into.
was going to go into the pedantic discourse of "yes, but under the makeup he's still a handsome hollywood actor" but ran into a problem. is Walton Goggins handsome? i'm looking at pictures of him on google and i just... can't tell. kinda like what people used to say about Maggie Gyllenhaal back in the day
He's extremely charismatic, but not necessarily traditionally handsome, that charisma carries over when he plays the ghoul.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Walton_Goggins_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/440px-Walton_Goggins_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg
Looks more fit and cared for (teeth and such), with conventionally attractive face with 50 than most do in their end 20s. I say to deny the looks would be a move that hurts more honestly.
Um pardon me but Harold is canonically an FEV mutant, NOT a ghoul
In Fallout 1 and 2 the nature of ghouls was a bit more vague and it was implied that they were all exposed to small concentrations of aerosolized FEV, likewise with deathclaws and radscorpions and such
Bethesda kinda put that by the wayside which tbh is fine, it's supposed to be 1950s super science after all
because it's bethesda fallout not black isle/obsidian fallout
I'm pretty sure a few ghouls call humans "smoothskins" in 3 & 4
they kept the fantasy slur from the lore, but don't have the integrity to enforce the lore
Just hear me out, ok? What if we had a god machine and in process of reformatting reality to put ourselves onto the throne of everything which don't require more than one day of travel by boat cause we're apparently allergic to water some oopsies happened? Would that be ok or not ok? Nobody would know anyway?
One of the ghouls did refer to Lucy as a “Smooth-y” when he asked Coop who she was
There arent a lot of ghoul characters besides Cooper and a few background characters
true true, won't catch me arguing that
has much respect for the older entries
He moisturized regularly AS ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE DOING RIGHT NOW
He's an especially good looking Ghoul, most of the other ghouls have skin falling off.
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I'm assuming he's kept alive and relatively healthy by all the drugs he has to buy from those weirdos in episode 3 or 4
lmao ive been wanting to fuck a ghoul since that cowgirl lady ghoul in New Vegas
these losers need to get on my level of Monster-fucker
Most of the monsterfuckers I know who would be into ghouls and shit are definitely not het, and usually not cis either, lol.
Monsterfuckers need to get over themselves. Oh, you'd rub the pedipalps of a giant spider? Cute. In the real world people sleep with US senators. No monster is as bad as that.
Hey now we may want to fuck inhuman creatures with anatomies designed to tear us to shreds but it doesn't mean we don't have standards
Pretty sure I'm het and Fallout is full of things I'd inadvisably bone
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I have to make the joke part appealing enough to the normies because they cannot relate to wanting to fuck a deathclaw
cishet women are my wife and she is so hot.
and she is more of a communist than i will ever be.
Yet leftists like soy. Checkmate tankie. Another win for the marketplace of ideas
There you have it lads, women are into child-killers. Try singing up for the IDF.
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