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  • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    One of the things I found hardest about abandoning my liberalism is years of being told that Socialism and Communism wasn't really a viable alternative because USSR bad. Honestly, I didn't even know what the words meant. I wasn't a liberal, but that's as left as my brain would allow. Reading Blackshirts and Reds by Parenti {ARR!} helped me a lot with that. But the real kicker was reading Vincent Bevin's The Jakarta Method {ARR!} and learning that every time I read the words anti-communist in history class, they were talking all along about Nazis or the local equivalent. And when they were talking about communist revolutions, it was just workers (often Indigenous peoples) just trying to not be treated like slaves.

    The United States of America is a fucking lie, our history a myth that we get pounded into our brains from cradle to grave. It was created by slavers for slavers and every progressive step forward was gained with sweat and lots of blood; Every step backwards is a step towards slavery. Full stop. To learn about that, I very much recommend reading Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States {ARR!}, James Loewen's Lies My Teacher Told Me {ARR!}, and Gerald Horne's The Counter-Revolution of 1776 {ARR!}.

    For understanding the current path of US politics and how we got here, I would recommend reading Thomas Frank's Listen, Liberal: Or Whatever Happened to the Party of the People {ARR!} for a background of the democratic party. For understanding how the GOP has taken such a powerful hold of US politics I would recommend Dark Money by Jane Mayer {ARR!}. And for the more history on neoliberalism and the US's future, check out Democracy in Chains by Nancy MacLean {ARR!}.

    At some point check out Parenti's Inventing Reality {ARR!} and the intro to Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent {ARR!} to really understand just how badly we are all drowning in propaganda, they go well as a followup to Dark Money because Dark Money documents the insane propaganda network by the Koch Brothers and once you understand how pervasive it is and realize that it barely scratches the surface you'll truly appreciate the scale of what it is we need to tackle as leftists.

    Give me a few minutes and I'll edit in some links.

    edit: links added.

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      every time I read the words anti-communist in history class, they were talking all along about Nazis or the local equivalent.

      Now consider that something like 95% of the West is anticommunist :this-is-fine:

      • SaniFlush [any, any]
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        2 years ago

        statistically, it's okay to laugh when you hear about people dying on the news, 95% chance they deserved it.

        • Wheaties [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          ...that's a pretty big conclusion to jump to. We're all born into this world without choice, on a page of the history book without selecting the number, into conditions we have no control over. Nobody deserves that, but it's how it is. It could be different, if we made it different together. Why waste your spite on someone who may have 'deserved' it, when you can put that fire to work against those we know do?

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      every time I read anti-communist in history class, they were along about Nazis

      did autocorrect do something here because I'm having trouble parsing

    • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      @TheBeerNerd I've read some of the recommendations that @JoeByeThen gives, and he's right in reccommending them. Blackshirts and reds, The Jakarta Method, Howard Zinn's A People's History of the US and Manufactoring consent are all excellent books.

      I just want to add that I highly recommend to watch the film The Act of Killing after you've read The Jakarta Method.

      • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I just want to add that I highly recommend to watch the film The Act of Killing after you’ve read The Jakarta Method.

        It's on my ToWatch list!👍 Also, The Look of Silence

        Waiting for the right headspace to watch them. Reading is one thing, seeing people's emotions as they work through this stuff is another.

      • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah, I need to read the rest of his work, but Listen, Liberal was really an eye opener into just how much the Democratic Party is controlled opposition whether they mean to be or not. It's like baby's first "Liberalism enables Fascism".

      • build_a_bear_group [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        I will always recommend Thomas Frank because his entire project is addressing the failures of post-New Deal Libralism and the evils of anti-populism.

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    H G Wells' interview of Stalin is a great primer in laying out the difference between social democracy and socialism

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I would recommend How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney for these reasons:

    1. The text hits the sweet spot of very easy to read and digest without sacrificing theoretical depth. I don't think I have read a single book that balance the two as well as Rodney. Parenti, compared to Rodney, is easy to read as Rodney but sacrifices theoretical depth. Most other recommended authors are denser reads than Rodney.

    2. The text is also surprisingly funny given the subject matter, but it's a sardonic sense of humor.

    3. The text doesn't just go over theory in terms of how to analyze the world, but actually demonstrates how to analyze the world, in this case Europe's continued exploitation of Africa. Most theoretical texts don't have a part that goes, "Here's the theory, now let's show you how to apply that theory with examples." They are like math textbooks without examples.

    4. The text is about an often neglected part of history of an often neglected part of the world. Africa wasn't just pharaohs and dudes with bones in their noses running around naked and living in mud huts. Crucial to this, Rodney didn't just uncritically praise these past African kingdoms either. They were class societies too with an exploited worker class which Rodney points out.

    5. The text isn't written by a dead white dude, but a dead Black dude who became dead because the Guyanese government thought he was too dangerous to be alive (Rodney was an organizer as well), so they assassinated him by rigging his car with a bomb.

    • edwardligma [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      ive been looking for something almost exactly like this, thanks!

      on a very similar note, eduardo galeanos open veins of latin america is an absolutely excellent and very materialist look at centuries of western exploitation of latin america, and the material reasons for how it happened and why it played out in particular ways in different areas and times

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Just keep in mind that Rodney has a very old-school definition of imperialism as "the exploitation of nation by nation," which is especially insufficient in the case of Africa both because of Europe's role in create nations in Africa and the plurinational nature of many European states (for example, Great Britain).

      It's really good at demonstrating that domination is happening, but bad at explaining how it happens.


      Organize Your Workplace

      :iww:

  • knifestealingcrow [any]
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    2 years ago

    You're probably gonna get a lot of really good recommendations and answers from people who know way more than me, so rather than give you a specific reading list I recommend you find something that speaks to you and you know you'll finish. For me, the first thing I ever read was Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton, for a friend of mine it was Che's Motorcycle Diaries. Neither of these really lay out basic theory and we would have understood more of it if we had done more of the "basic" reading, but they were the catalyst for us to start our own education.

    I lied there is one specific recommendation: Principles of Communism by Engels is a much clearer and informative text from the manifesto. It's basically an FAQ, while the manifesto is a call to action that assumes you are at least familiar with the principles. The yellow Parenti video is also a certified banger, though it's been a while since I watched it so I can't recall how accessible it would be to someone just jumping in.

    Edit: Holy shit did all 4 of the people replying a few minutes ago all hit post at the same time???

    • blight [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      if there's ine thing that unites hexbears, it's our strong and important, time-critical even, opinions about theory

      • knifestealingcrow [any]
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        2 years ago

        Seeing a comment suddenly appear immediately followed by 2 more as I was about to press post was really a sight to behold

  • CommunistDirtbag [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    State and Revolution is 100% an important piece too read, and as long as you read carefully (read sections over to make sure you understand) it's not too hard either! Then if you want to dive into Marx I cannot stress enough how helpful it is to first study dialectics, read Mao's On Contradiction, read Stalin's Dialectical and Historical Materialism or any other credible account on the subject. Dialectics in particular will prepare you the best for marx because EVERYTHING he writes is through this lens. Most importantly though is to broaden your horizons, read PoC authors, read female authors, read a diverse range because otherwise you run into (despite how well meaning you are) the risk of developing western chauvinist views.

    This was kinda lengthy but I hope it helps

  • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    As an alt recommendation, Do Not read Thomas Piketty’s Capital in the 21st century. It has the word capital in the title which tricks people into thinking it might be good. It is not, not only are his conclusions off, he misreads Marx like an undergrad. Avoid in favor of everything else in this thread

  • hypercube [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    the entire Warrior Cats series. every car with 10+ bumper stickers that you see. this website.

  • doesntmatter [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I recently heard "Anti-Duhring" by Engels being recommended for a "if you could read just the one thing" on Rev Left Radio podcast. it encompasses "Utopian and Scientific" while condensing a huge amount of Marx's Capital

    the blurb would be that Engels was pestered for years to address the "theory" of a guy named Duhring who was against Marx's ideas and also had a sizable following. the people who were listening to Marx and Engels thought they needed to be discredited and finally got around to Engels enough to make him write "Anti-Duhring" which explains what communism is, why it is a valid philosophical framework and why Duhring was making a mockery of it with his ideas. this seems to have had the intended effect as Duhring-ism isn't a thing nowadays as far as I'm aware

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/

  • AHopeOnceMore [he/him]B
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    2 years ago

    It really depends on your personal style of learning, where you're at, and where you want to be.

    For example, if you were interested in "go to the source even if it's difficult" to build a solid foundation, I'd start with Das Kapital. This would be a bad recommendation for someone who might go in a different direction and that you're trying to propagandize, but it sounds like you personally want stronger foundations and I say there's no better place to go than what daddy Marx had to say. It's a difficult read and will require some supplemental reading to know what he's referring to sometimes (e.g. The Paris Commune), but there's really no replacement for just reading the actual theory that's the basis for so much more reading, including Lenin. I can't tell you how many Marxists I've met who never actually read Marx's primary work and had just plain terrible takes as a result.

    If you want an introduction to shedding some of liberalism's propaganda, here's a few recs:

    • Blackshirts and Reds. Parenti is incredibly efficient in creating displacing narratives while highlighting liberal - and therefore often fascist - lies about how the world works and has worked.

    • The Jakarta Method. To see the face of capital when the mask falls, to pose the question of why you've probably never heard of the events described, and harden your heart to social democratic incrementalism and just generally not taking the threats of capitalism seriously: they will kill us, we need to be aware and organize around having a ruthless enemy.

    • A People's History of The United States. Good for displacing white settler-colonial myths about the US that are still spread in US schools and US media worldwide.

    • Pedagogy of The Oppressed. Generally just good for reorienting your frame of mind away from a Eurocentric one, with a specific focus on education. There is a whole world of human experiments and self-organization out there and capitalism endlessly tries to flatten it into one mode with simple narratives and relationships that serve itself. This book is a good Marxist dissection of this.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Capitalist realism is I think pretty accessible for not being deep in yet. Fisher touches on a lot of good places to go next. I'll also suggest Debt, Graebers history of the topic.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      2 years ago

      2nd both of these, but especially Capitalist Realism. Like it's genuinely indespensible to a useful, contemporary understanding of capitalism after the cold war.

  • BeanBoy [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Sylvia Federici’s work (Caliban and the Witch, etc) was helpful for using core Marxist concepts like primitive accumulation in a modern context. Honestly helped me understand Marx better. Her interview on Rev Left Radio is also really good!

    • edwardligma [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      seconding this, caliban and the witch is just such an incredible work of materialist history, highly recommend to everyone