Damn. I had like a five page expose on why "Hook up culture" isn't real and the locked thread eated it.

Very quick version - Hook up culture isn't a real thing.

What's actually happening is that no-fault divorce (California, 1970, last state adopted it NY in 2010) allowed women to leave abusive relationships for the first time.

Women gaining the right to be financial independent(Equal credit opportunity act, 1974) - have checking accounts, hold credit cards, take out loans - granted women a great deal of economic freedom.

Roe happened in 1973

Single women gained the right to contraception in 1972.

So very suddenly women could leave abusive husbands, handle their own money, get abortions, and control their pregnancies.

HUGE FUCKING CHANGES. Unprecedented in history. All these things had happened at various times and places (except the Pill), but for the purposes of this post this is the first time they had all been legal together at the same time. Women now have an unheard of amount of legal, economic, and sexual agency.

So this doesn't produce huge changes right away. Young women in their 20s in 1970 go through pretty much the same pattern as their parents. But their children, women coming of age in the 80s and 90s, are the first generation to grow up with these freedoms, which means they're the first generation to have to figure out what to do with them.

The result was, very broadly - More sex, more single parents, more living alone, more delaying marriage, more education, and more labor involvement (for middle class white women. Minority and poor women always worked). As the kids of the women of the 80s grew up (me!) and came of age in the late 90s and early 00s we continued the trend - Women, at least in urban cities, could have relatively shame-free casual sex, they had jobs previously bared to women, they had (a few) more partners than their parents, they could marry later and have kids later. And then the zoomers, who came on line post-Millenials, have taken those trends further - more sex, later marriage, more labor force participation, yadda yadda you know you're living it.

So when people talk about hookup culture htey overwhelmingly focus on this idea that young people are having lots of unsatisfying casual sex, can't find fulfilling relationships, and are marrying and having kids much later than usual. And all the articles talking about it throw their hands up on confusion about why this is happening. they blame it on phones. They blame it on tinder and grindr and snapchat and tiktok. They blame it on feminists. they blame it on feminists a lot. They're really dead-set on blaming third-wave and sex-positive feminism for tricking women in to thinking it's okay to have sex when they want with who they want and that's why they're unhappy now. They're promulgating the idea that actually women want deep, meaningful relationships and men are using hookup culture to pressure young women in to having unsatisfying, exploitative, no strings attached sexual encounters.

What they're not doing is talking about what's actually changed between when hooking up started in 1993 and where we are thirty years later in 2022.

The 90s were a time of relative economic prosperity. You could still afford a decent house and all the other crap you needed on one middle class income. Being poor still sucked, but there was a relatively large cohort that could have a house, a family, go on occasional vacations, and send their kids to college on one income. Then NAFTA happened and fucking annihilated America's unprecedented working class prosperity. All of America's industry and manufacturing was dismantled and shipped overseas. Huge swathes of the US became economically post-apocalyptic. The .com bubble in '99 caused some problems for people up in the middle class, but that whole lifestyle came to an abrupt, violent end in 2007-2008. The Financial Crisis happened. Millions upon millions of people were financially ruined. Banks just outright, illegally, literally theft theft stole millions of people's houses with no consequences. Millions more lost their houses when they couldn't pay their mortgages. It was a massive disaster. I imagine even some of the younger zoomers remember how fucked up things suddenly got.

So now, suddenly, there were a ton of people who had just graduated college who couldn't get the same well paying jobs their parents had, and thanks to Joe "Harm Reduction" Biden they were saddled with college debt they couldn't discharge. Everybody lower on the economic ladder was just fucked (You know what I should have mentioned NAFTA I'm going to go back and do that). So all the middle class jobs were fucked, all the working class jobs were fucked, everyone was fucked. No one had money.

So what happened? Millenials started living at home longer than their parents. They started having more and more roommates than their parents. They couldn't afford to buy houses until later in life, if at all. They couldn't afford to have children later in life.

Meanwhile the financial crisis was scouring society of what un-alienated community remained in America. Vast numbers of communities were annihilated by poverty and economic insecurity. Established communities fractured as people had to move away for economic reasons. The bars, venues, and coffee shops those people loved all folded. Some were replaced by soulless corporate pod-people versions like Starbucks. Many just weren't replaced at all.

So all these Millenials were living with their parents or a dozen roommates. Which meant they had little or no privacy at home, which meant they had a harder time bringing their hookup or date or sweetie home with them. Which meant, overall, less dating, fewer dates, and more hookups that didn't require as much time or privacy. The communities and third places Millenials and their parents had used to meet people were diminishing. That meant it was harder to find partners, which meant less dating, fewer dates, fewer hookups.

Tinder, Grindr (especially Grindr), and other social media helped for a little while, but everyone quickly learned that online dating fucking sucked, so they didn't do much to stem the overall tide of alienation.

And all this has just continued to build for the last fifteen years - More precarity, less entertainment as higher costs, less privacy, more expensive housing, education, and medicine, shittier jobs that took up more and more and more time, buying houses later in life turned in to never buying houses, rents increased obscenely further shattering communities, you know all this, you're living through it.

For the zoomers coming of age in the 20s, what this meant was unprecedented economic stress, unprecedented social alienation and isolation that made it hard to meet people, economic and social problems that interfered with dating, and the total disruption of what had been markers of maturing and becoming an adult pre-2007.

Now Zoomers have all the same problems previous generations had - rape culture, terrible sex education, shitty dating culture, immature understanding of relationships, poor communication skills, alcoholism, all kinds of relationship problems.

But they're having them mixed with all this other social, political, and economic bullshit - rising fascism, anti-feminist backlash, climate despair, doomerism, covid.

So what's happening is people who don't have a good perspective to see all the massive upheavals over the last thirty years are seeing Zoomers having trouble with maintaining stable relationships and having unsatisfying hookups and facing sexual violence and the nuclear proliferation of pornography, and they're saying "Ahah! Hookup culture is the problem! if we just end or change or refute hookup culture things will be good again!"

And this takes a lot of forms - People blame porn, not recognizing or acknowledging that sexual violence and rape culture existed long before the proliferation of internet porn. Likewise, people being bad at sex, demanding, unconcerned about their partner, manipulative, and abusive have existed long before internet porn. Internet porn may have exacerbated this to some degree, but it seems unlikely to me, especially when other potential causes like the erupting of reactionary anti-feminism from "Dark Enlightenment" losers or Andrew Tate

People blame casual sex, with fascists claiming that women are being oppressed by the immorality of casual sex and that they only think they're empowered when men are really using them for cheap gratification, and the solution is to reject feminism and embrace traditional gender roles (sexual and economic slavery).

Resurgent sex-negative second wave feminists, which I have learned to my infinite regret still exist for some awful reason, likewise say that third wave and sex-positive feminism deceived women, and that actually learning about your sexuality, masturbating without shame, and hooking up without being socially shunned was a dirty trick by the patriarchy and actually you need to... do... some second wave radfem bullshit I honestly don't understand those people at all.

But none of this is going to solve the problem, first because the problem isn't a new problem. Dating and relationships have always been really hard. The perception that dating was "easier" in the past is actually a misunderstanding. In the past huge forces of social violence forced people in to relationships and then kept them legally and economically trapped there with no escape. Conservatives love to hammer on increasing divorce rates as some kind of evidence of social dissipation when really divorce rates have shot up because women can now get rid of their abusive husbands without having to poison them. People have collectively chosen to forget that dating only a small number of people before marriage was often because you would suffer huge social or even physical violence if you were perceived to be a "slut".

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Good to know. My parents were comfortably middle class in the 90s and very suburbanoid so i was pretty sheltered from the economy. All i really remember personally is ninja turtles and bill clinton playing the sax. I'll have to do more reading on the 90s economy in the us.

    • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I used to say that saying the 90s were good was America-centric, because the 90s fucking sucked for the rest of the world, but now, I say it's dumb and inaccurate for everyone.

  • Lussy [any, hy/hym]
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    2 years ago

    Hookup culture doesn't exist because Zoomers aren't really participating in hookup culture since a vast majority of them are isolated and atomized.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    Sorry I ran out of room. Where was I?

    Oh, right.

    So partly, the problem people perceive isn't the problem that actually exists. The perception that things were better in the past is mostly bogus - Lower divorce rates and more long term relationships were as much a result of social, economic, and legal violence as anything else. Many, many, many people were trapped in abusive, miserable relationships they couldn't leave. Where they actually were better the cause is overwhelmingly economic issues - Housing was cheaper, wages were higher, there was less social disintegration brought about by economic factors.

    The conclusion, then, is that having lots of casual sex isn't the cause of peoples difficulties with relationships and alienation. Nor is sex-positive attitudes and sex-positive feminism the cause. People aren't miserable because women can choose to have sex.

    Other reported factors, like feeling pressure to have sex, having sex under the influence of alcohol and feeling gross about it later, sexual violence, shitty uncaring sex partners, abusers, manipulators, an other bullshit have always been around and probably haven't changed much. If anything Gen Z drinks notably less than Millennials and has much more awareness of consent than my generation did at the same age.

    What's really happening is (surprise surprsie) people's material circumstances fucking suck and it's leading to unhappy sex lives.

    The solution, and this isn't going to surprise you at all, is communism.

    Housing stability, better wages, more economic freedom, less work stress and fewer working hours, access to reproductive healthcare, the removal of student loan burden, food stability, and all the other socialist stuff will greatly improve the situation, bringing us closer to the famous circumstances of the GDR where women reported having more satisfying sex and much more satisfaction with their partners.

    Or, to borrow a phrase from serial rapist and enemy of the working class Bill Clinton, "It's the Economy, Stupid!"

  • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Damn still kind reading through it but yeah I feel you hit a resonant point on economic shame being a key issues, i.e. I feel personally even with my education (first in my family with a graduate degree and pursuing nursing a semi stable job with okay pay) I am still way the fuck out of the ballpark to be economically comfortable and am lucky enough to be living with family instead of paying out on jacked up rent in my area (west coast metro rates taking up 30-45% of my fucking income if I'm lucky and that doesn't even count utility costs). All of this compounds together to mean I've spent more time focused on my education, the internships I pursued, part time jobs and just the little I have for personal time to not really been actively dating for several years now (I feel like the physical embodiment of forever alone meme tbh). I don't even want to think about marriage and kids (whatever the fuck that would look like).

  • Civility [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    :gold-communist:

    Thank you for taking the time to write and rewrite this. I really appreciate it.

  • neera_tanden [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Hook up culture is young women supporting bernie sanders because they want to get with the brocialists

  • old_goat [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    All of the multiple characters and configurations of sexual relations have existed at the same time for all of existence. The popularity of certain configurations ebb and flow according to material conditions but media reporting has no relation to which behaviors are ascendant in popularity because reporting on how other people fuck is just spectacle.

    I don't know how you could discuss hook-up culture in particular and gloss over or fail entirely to mention libertines, bohemians, the Comstock laws, the roaring 20s and "petting parties", the pill, free love (and the summer of love in particular), the AIDS pandemic of the 80s, and the rise of the right-wing religious purity movement in the 90s. But perhaps the issue is a focus on the nuclear family as the eternal standard for household configuration rather than an aberration of the 50s, because households have been as variable in character and configuration as sexual orientations throughout history.

    • congressbaseballfan [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Lots of us have blind spots about history and sociology thanks to shitty education in America. OP made a thoughtful and good post; but the twenties in particular and the cultural reasons for the 50s to be sanitized and presented as the norm (vast adoption of mass media and anti-communist fervor putting Hollywood in a straight jacket)

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      A lot of articles talking about "hookup" culture start in the 20s saying that something something women in college now there is dating.

      I did mention the AIDs crisis and it's massive cultural impact on gay life in the original version that got eaten, bc it's really important and directly lead to the modern incarnation of the gay rights movement. I had some stuff on Free Love, too. Mostly how it was kind of an empty ideology that failed to meaningfully challenge patriarchy and gender norms.

      Really you could add so much if you were writing a real article about this. Like how sex before marriage wasn't actuall uncommon in Colonial America, how peasants in a lot of times and places married for love and no one cared if they were fucking as long as they got married before the woman was visibly pregnant. Or Early Christian gay psuedo-marriages. Or varying forms of contraception. Or sexual practices outside of Europe where there was a huge variety outside the European norm, including places where relationships were very fluid and informal.

      Actually now that I think about it economics has always been important. Kung people (supposedly, it's been a long time) have very fluid relationships and marriages where people aren't expected to stay together their whole lives if they don't want to. The Kung are mostly settled now due to encroachment by Hausa farmers, but a few decades ago when they were semi-nomadic they lived in bands of like 20-50 friends and relations. People would get together for a few years, but if someone wanted to break up they could just go and it wasn't a huge problem because everybody was able to meet their material needs pretty reliably by hunting and foraging, and childcare was shared within the band. There wasn't any cultural stigma, either. So women weren't bound to a relationship by economic scarcity or social violence.

      Allegedly, based on European accounts so take this with several pounds of salt, pre-contact Hawaiians also had fairly fluid sexual and romantic relationships, and like the Kung their economic situation was very abundant without much scarcity.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    2 years ago

    The historical analysis is solid and the take aways are strong.

    But I still fundamentally question the "hook up culture" premise. Every generation has its youthful Rumspringa. Teenagers and 20-somethings do be fucking across all generations. Couples cheat and swing and otherwise act horny well into their senior years.

    None of this is unique to the modern moment. What's changed is the media fixation on people fucking as a commerical experience. I think that's the big issue with porn (and prostitution and dating apps and PUAs, etc).

    Commercialized sex is transforming a moral and cultural question into a question of profit seeking. "Hook up culture" is about branding and marketing - both in the positive (buy these things to fuck) and the negative (buy these things to stay chaste).

    The social violence has shifted from a means of broad social control into a means of personalized profit. Neoreactionaries will romanticize the past while ignoring what produced the calls for change. But there's no contrary call to action on the left that really fills the void. No sexual revolution like what the 60s produced. Not for cis-het folks, anyway.

    I'm seeing this divide between Left and Right, along Straight/LGBT lines which does not bod well for the future.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Word. As far as I understand young people have always been having sex one way or another. It's just become a lot lower risk with contraceptives, but even contraceptives aren't new.

  • ZoomeristLeninist [comrade/them, she/her]M
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    2 years ago

    zoomers are killing hookup culture!!

    seriously tho i feel like my generation (Z) has ditched hookup culture and have just been having less relationships of all kinds. ive never personally been a fan of hookups but, as you said, its still more feasible than serious dating for a lot of young people. but now even hookups are dying and we're all being more and more isolated

    beautiful post btw!

  • ButtBidet [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Comrade, this is gold. Great material analysis. I'd literally consider writing the book on this.

  • Vampire [any]
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    2 years ago

    thanks to Joe “Harm Reduction” Biden they were saddled with college debt

    Wait Joe Biden did college debt?

      • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Correct, before 2005 you could discharge student debt during bankruptcy - as in you would owe 0 after bankruptcy. Biden was the architect of that bill, he was the senator from mscnbc after all so is it surprising?

      • walletbaby [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        He also architected the 1994 crime bill that started the era of mass incarceration. I had a bookmark for one of his speeches in which he was disgustingly racist, but naturally Youtube took it down.