suffer the indignity of working a normal job that isn’t producing art
Everyone you dislike is apparently petite bourgeoise to you, especially artists. You already called me a liar in this thread, but what you're saying up front is worse than what you're accusing me of.
Dividing the working class, which includes artists, into tiers of worthy and unworthy laborers based on who wears a hard hat or who works with hand tools, is a wrecker or even a chud take.
I'm fairly poor myself but crabs in a bucket mentality is not a leftist perspective I agree with. I believe in a society where artists can still exist and make a living doing art no matter how much you personally hate them and want them to suffer because they aren't working your exact same job.
I also noticed you're dodging the revenge porn and career/reputation/life wrecking aspects of deepfaking coworkers, rivals, or even children, entirely.
Commissioning individual artists has always been a bourgeois thing. This is about locking proles out of cultural mass production and locking them out entirely.
Selling your labor to bourgeois pigs (the only people that can afford to pay) so that you can eat makes you a prole. Working at a production house makes you a prole. It's like getting mad at an Uber driver.
I don't understand why you're upset that some fields have better working conditions than others when the collective struggle is to improve work conditions for everyone, and the conditions of production artists are already mostly sweatshops in the third world to begin with.
You must destroy AI because eventually it will probably replace doctors for 99% of daily functions and that 1% a new function of being completely devoid of compassion and experiencing no trauma from denying people care (total insurance company surveillance) and having no qualms with slowly pushing medically assisted euthanasia onto welfare and disability queens, as described by tech bros unproductive surplus members of society
You can already see how AI management at Amazon warehouses and Uber treat people
Anything that previously required a human face can be replaced with an algorithm with an infinite capacity to immiserate you beyond everything you've already experienced.
If you've ever been on welfare or disability you can imagine the nightmare of having an AI case worker
I think you have a strong argument there regarding class interest, even if we continue to disagree regarding who constitutes what class and what the cutoff point is. I think there is one, mind you. I have absolutely no sympathy, fondness, or even respect for the living money laundering experts that sell cans of their own shit to the ruling class, for example.
Most of my concerns about this technology are about the legal wild west it is currently in, how there's just about no legal protection for people affected by technology assisted fake revenge porn (such as legal means to protect jobs that can be lost from such faked revenge porn, and I don't even know what can be done about damaged reputations and personal lives inflicted by creeps with cheap and available means to hurt them), and to some extent the fact that the ruling class drive to crush creative expression out of the ruling class and make them into obedient revenue producers and nothing more is helped along by worsening the precarious situation of artists of modest means.
A: You can apply that observation to literally every worker that negotiates pay (waiters' tips, Uber tips, plumber, all craftsmen and tradesmen)
And
B: Pointless because it's anti worker and anti solidarity, dead end. Your interests working in presumably the core are still improved by the hyper exploitation of the periphery, your conditions worsening would still be bad
Creative and fulfilling labor is still labor, protecting and making that available to as many people as possible should be the goal.
For every artist that's employed there's a thousand people that abandoned their dream of working as one and now you're celebrating the immiseration of every single artist that actually has to sell their labor to survive.
Great work, you realize trust fund artists aren't going anywhere because of AI? They'll be the only ones left
celebrating is the enormously increased accessibility of art creation.
At the cost of foreclosing art creation as a profession to every prole. Crab bucket mentality.
You should be crying for yourself when every last piece of escapism is bougie liberals jacking themselves off with every Netflix series already being about "the help" homewrecking rich lib families and stealing their houses and every video game gets closer and closer to being "housing encampment demolition simulator".
This is choking out any left influence from the cultural sphere and I can't believe your posts about the crumbs you're getting in return being worth it.
The bourgeoise will dominate AI art too because they don't need to be paid to do it. And on a second note it's not about IP when AI is literally about robbing workers of their means of production and ensuring they'll never be paid for their labor again.
AI automation is stealing labor hours before they haven't even had the opportunity to work them. Robbing people of past and future labor. This isn't IP rent-seeking for work they have already done. It's an attempt to steal all the work they will ever do across all fields requiring human creation and creativity.
Manmade horrors beyond the comprehension of every Soviet painter, writer, composer, musician or anyone else that records human life.
You can use it for whatever you want but it doesn't change the fact that capitalists are absorbing the life's work of human beings into dead capital.
The skills required to be able to compete and build upon AI generated art is going to be beyond most people born into working class backgrounds. The number of jobs this will eliminate will ensure only the top performing artists (nepotism and networking notwithstanding) will be able to find and retain stable employment.
A shrinking field generally means it will be progressively whittled down to only elites and the children of elites will be able to significantly participate and contribute.
It's the floor falling out from the supermajority of junior and lower performing workers here, combined with capital being able to literally absorb workers' unique abilities into dead capital and render their future labor worthless on the market.
This kind of automation has never been seen before, being able to render even products of human self-expression, solidarity and compassion infinitely replicable and therefore worthless and not worthy of compensation in market terms is horrific when as you mentioned proles are already mostly locked out of cultural means of production.
The shared interests of workers still leave their marks on mass culture, even sometimes explicitly with movies like Parasite etc, I just can't imagine the long term implications this kind of Pandora's box (total death of creative fields as a livable career for proles) will have for cultural reproduction decades down the line especially when considering how evil Americans already are, and how evil American culture already is. It's a tightening of contradictions.
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Everyone you dislike is apparently petite bourgeoise to you, especially artists. You already called me a liar in this thread, but what you're saying up front is worse than what you're accusing me of.
Dividing the working class, which includes artists, into tiers of worthy and unworthy laborers based on who wears a hard hat or who works with hand tools, is a wrecker or even a chud take.
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I'm fairly poor myself but crabs in a bucket mentality is not a leftist perspective I agree with. I believe in a society where artists can still exist and make a living doing art no matter how much you personally hate them and want them to suffer because they aren't working your exact same job.
I also noticed you're dodging the revenge porn and career/reputation/life wrecking aspects of deepfaking coworkers, rivals, or even children, entirely.
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Commissioning individual artists has always been a bourgeois thing. This is about locking proles out of cultural mass production and locking them out entirely.
Selling your labor to bourgeois pigs (the only people that can afford to pay) so that you can eat makes you a prole. Working at a production house makes you a prole. It's like getting mad at an Uber driver.
I don't understand why you're upset that some fields have better working conditions than others when the collective struggle is to improve work conditions for everyone, and the conditions of production artists are already mostly sweatshops in the third world to begin with.
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The users don't matter here
You must destroy AI because eventually it will probably replace doctors for 99% of daily functions and that 1% a new function of being completely devoid of compassion and experiencing no trauma from denying people care (total insurance company surveillance) and having no qualms with slowly pushing medically assisted euthanasia onto
welfare and disability queens, as described by tech brosunproductive surplus members of societyYou can already see how AI management at Amazon warehouses and Uber treat people
Anything that previously required a human face can be replaced with an algorithm with an infinite capacity to immiserate you beyond everything you've already experienced.
If you've ever been on welfare or disability you can imagine the nightmare of having an AI case worker
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I think you have a strong argument there regarding class interest, even if we continue to disagree regarding who constitutes what class and what the cutoff point is. I think there is one, mind you. I have absolutely no sympathy, fondness, or even respect for the living money laundering experts that sell cans of their own shit to the ruling class, for example.
Most of my concerns about this technology are about the legal wild west it is currently in, how there's just about no legal protection for people affected by technology assisted fake revenge porn (such as legal means to protect jobs that can be lost from such faked revenge porn, and I don't even know what can be done about damaged reputations and personal lives inflicted by creeps with cheap and available means to hurt them), and to some extent the fact that the ruling class drive to crush creative expression out of the ruling class and make them into obedient revenue producers and nothing more is helped along by worsening the precarious situation of artists of modest means.
Any labor is worth what it's worth, obviously considering intensity of work and training required. I don't understand how you can be mad at this.
An hour of your work is worth an equivalent hour of another worker's work.
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It's not a sound analysis because
A: You can apply that observation to literally every worker that negotiates pay (waiters' tips, Uber tips, plumber, all craftsmen and tradesmen)
And
B: Pointless because it's anti worker and anti solidarity, dead end. Your interests working in presumably the core are still improved by the hyper exploitation of the periphery, your conditions worsening would still be bad
Creative and fulfilling labor is still labor, protecting and making that available to as many people as possible should be the goal.
You're on the Internet, everything's already free 🏴☠️
Your opinions are deranged. The whole project of communism is to enable people to work whatever job they want.
Liberal
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For every artist that's employed there's a thousand people that abandoned their dream of working as one and now you're celebrating the immiseration of every single artist that actually has to sell their labor to survive.
Great work, you realize trust fund artists aren't going anywhere because of AI? They'll be the only ones left
:amerikkka-clap:
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At the cost of foreclosing art creation as a profession to every prole. Crab bucket mentality.
You should be crying for yourself when every last piece of escapism is bougie liberals jacking themselves off with every Netflix series already being about "the help" homewrecking rich lib families and stealing their houses and every video game gets closer and closer to being "housing encampment demolition simulator".
This is choking out any left influence from the cultural sphere and I can't believe your posts about the crumbs you're getting in return being worth it.
The bourgeoise will dominate AI art too because they don't need to be paid to do it. And on a second note it's not about IP when AI is literally about robbing workers of their means of production and ensuring they'll never be paid for their labor again.
AI automation is stealing labor hours before they haven't even had the opportunity to work them. Robbing people of past and future labor. This isn't IP rent-seeking for work they have already done. It's an attempt to steal all the work they will ever do across all fields requiring human creation and creativity.
Manmade horrors beyond the comprehension of every Soviet painter, writer, composer, musician or anyone else that records human life.
You can use it for whatever you want but it doesn't change the fact that capitalists are absorbing the life's work of human beings into dead capital.
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The skills required to be able to compete and build upon AI generated art is going to be beyond most people born into working class backgrounds. The number of jobs this will eliminate will ensure only the top performing artists (nepotism and networking notwithstanding) will be able to find and retain stable employment.
A shrinking field generally means it will be progressively whittled down to only elites and the children of elites will be able to significantly participate and contribute.
It's the floor falling out from the supermajority of junior and lower performing workers here, combined with capital being able to literally absorb workers' unique abilities into dead capital and render their future labor worthless on the market.
This kind of automation has never been seen before, being able to render even products of human self-expression, solidarity and compassion infinitely replicable and therefore worthless and not worthy of compensation in market terms is horrific when as you mentioned proles are already mostly locked out of cultural means of production.
The shared interests of workers still leave their marks on mass culture, even sometimes explicitly with movies like Parasite etc, I just can't imagine the long term implications this kind of Pandora's box (total death of creative fields as a livable career for proles) will have for cultural reproduction decades down the line especially when considering how evil Americans already are, and how evil American culture already is. It's a tightening of contradictions.
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It's also really not great that now workers lose almost all their leverage in these fields and quite literally can no longer withhold their labor.
Whenever this giddy response to "workers of whatever field or pursuit you don't like being crushed" is snuffed or reeducated out of humanity.