https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/zaq2yv/chinese_social_media_users_report_huawei_phones/iyp7fxa/
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The lack of evidence is just evidence of how totalitarian the Chinese are.
"During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence.
If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative.
If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom.
A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained.
What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum."
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Just bring up the Roma and see how fast this little euro shit starts not only denying genocide but actively promoting it
PSA: for amerikkkans to bully europoors more effectively online, know your target. Western europeans rarely hate Romani, if they've even heard the term — eastern Europeans hate :romani:. The western Europeans hate Muslims. :eu-cool:
(And the serbs hate the croats hate the bosnians who hate the serbs who hate the bosnians who hate the moldovians... But they all hate the westerners)
In my experience, plenty of Western Europeans also frown on Roma, though it's usually not as rabid as in Eastern Europe.
Yeah, in Northern Europe they are also widely disliked but its not quite on the level of "calling for an open genocide"
I have heard people in actual real life express the opinion that [CW: Horrible Racism]
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Somali and black, brown and Muslim immigration in general has made them appreciate Finnish Romani more. They might be lazy inveterate thieves, but at least they're OUR lazy inveterate thieves!
Isn’t that basically how every wave of European immigrant became coded ‘White American’ in the 20th century US
yeah but a western european liberal knows better to openly claim to hate Roma. They'll support the police beating them etc but they won't say "I hate Roma" and if asked will probably claim to be more tolerant than they are
It's like racism from ignorance and racism that's just pure hate
Basically everyone will start telling you some family legend about how a Romani stole their great grandfather's horse or whatever when you broach the topic of the Romani
that or the mythical benefit scrounger that everyone knows someone who has met them
I think I have heard several stories of how some guy who's like a plumber went to do work on a Romani's apartment noticed it was absolutely filled with clearly stolen wallets
OR how the big floor length skirt of a traditional Finnish Romani woman's dress has giant pockets hidden in it, specifically to aid in thieving and shoplifting
There's A LOT
The denial of women's rights to clothing with pockets is getting absurd
Western europeans rarely hate Romani
This is not true. Mention Roma in the UK or Ireland and everyone turns into a racist, even so-called left wing labour supporters.
Insider tip: Finns, Swedes and presumably Norwegians also have interesting opinions about them as well
Americans would hate the Romani but they think they're fictional characters, like Paul Bunyan.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
https://spme.org/spme-research/analysis/clemens-heni-the-prague-declaration-antisemitism-with-a-democratic-face/7822/
Mainstream, well-regarded historians typically also do not view the Soviet Famine of the '30s as a genocide, including such people as J. Arch Getty, and even Robert Conquest later on (he initially characterized it as genocide but walked it back later).
Thank you!
I remembered reading the Jewish Currents article when I was replying but forgot the publication and link
Wild to see Zionists pushing also pushing back on the Holodomor
I actually know a family that cluelessly housed Azov fighters as refugees (went back to fight lmao) and will be using the Jewish Currents article to help stop the self-identified socialist kids (large adult sons) from buying into literal Nazi propaganda.
The problem here isn't that Holocaust denialism lands some :pit: ass in jail where it belongs
Thank you so much for your help comrades :rat-salute-2:
Stumbling into truth in public spaces a long time ago is how I turned red and finally understood how and why my family has been exploited
I know it's not the ideal space to push back but I hope some seeds of doubt have been planted today
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I will also be copying your writings for future use next time I have to push back on this kind of propaganda
Every morning i log into reddit dot com slash r slash publicfreakout and post agitprop until my coffee kicks in.
:fidel-salute-big:
You’re like the shock troops of the posting wars, braver than the troops
Looks like it's gone pretty well to me. We shouldn't discourage this, other onlookers will repeat the things we say if we can succeed at injecting things into conversation often enough.
i'm not discouraging it, i just don't have a lot of faith in redditors
I joined in because I saw TeelxFlame already pushing back, and a lot more Chomsky-types already doubting the story,
It would be cool for them to end up here if they aren't already
I don't stumble into communists on public forums very often
The Soviet Famine was not a genocide, and neither is China's deradicalization program in Xinjiang. I also deny that White Genocide is happening, is that cringe?
I also deny that White Genocide is happening
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Equal redistribution of food during a famine isn't genocide, it's practically the only option that isn't one.
Kulaks would have let the jews and every other minority starve, and the ones that wouldn't would have to sell all their possessions and property for food.
Every class has reactionaries, even peasants
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