A talk about the tendency for old people to be closed-minded towards new music, sometimes in ways that are racist.
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It would've been problematic if you hated Ed Sheeran because he's ginger.
Early 30s here- I'll be real honest with you, I've been seeing a lot of artists in the vein of what you posted and I just don't vibe with it. It's too damn breezy, or sincere, or something. I've listened to it a lot and tried training myself to like it, but it just won't stick.
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don't have much to say, but i enjoyed this discussion, thanks for posting
I’ve always noticed this with my father, he hates all rap except for if the rapper is white, like he listened to Machine gun Fucking Kelly instead of anything actually good
I try not to be the Type of Dude that he talks about here.
I really didn't like... music, when I was young. Like, I just kinda found it all annoying. I found some bands I liked when I was like 16, but I still really dislike the vast majority of music. I was exposed to a lot of music, but idk, just, most of it like, grates on me. Not full on 'nails on a chalkboard', but also, it there, and I can feel it annoying me. I turn off the music in, like, 99% of games for example.
But also, I don't want to shit on stuff people like, and I don't want to trample enthusiasm, especially in young people. So I bite my tongue a lot in music discussions IRL, feel like its very "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." Which I know is a boomer saying, but goddamn if its rare to actually find a boomer that follows that.
I ALMOST always turn off video game music even if I like it, because it often just interferes with the gameplay. Like they'll have subtle audio cues in a game with a bunch of fucking music blasting. No thank you. Games are generally pretty bad at deciding when to blast you with music.
If it's not an audio-based game, I still have to turn it down usually.
And I always turn off menu music. Shut the fuck up. I'm not even playing. Shut up! You aren't epic. This is the settings menu.
Games where I never turn off the music? DOOM. Fuck yeah DOOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG2HwH1JkAI
Definitely agree, best game soundtrack :)
lol, i don't think anyone's enthusiasm will be dampered by the chiming in of the idiosyncratic guy who categorically doesn't like music.
I also don't listen to music lol makes people think I'm a freak when I say I just don't listen to anything on a long road trip.
I've always preferred boomer music because that's what I listened to a lot as a teen, but especially since I became an adult I've always tried to be open minded about music because I really don't want to turn into "that guy".
But I will never be open minded enough to listen to country.
At this point if someone likes Eminem I just assume they're at least casually racist
I still just feel take it as a sign that me and that person won't get along.
I'd say it's not "liking Eminem" but having him as a favorite or greatest all time or some shit like that.
You don't have to like every artist. I don't like Eminem and I do listen to a lot of hip hop. Fantano doesn't like every new music either. His job is listening to new music and telling people which music he likes and doesn't like.
The message of the video is that you should be open-minded to new experiences (because you might like a new artist, album, song) and that you shouldn't reject music based on being unfamiliar with the sound.
Fantano also mentions that some people reject certain types of music because of prejudices that they have. As example, Ben Sharpiro puts out a video every couple weeks saying that hip hop is not real music because Ben Sharpiro is racist. Hip hop music is heavily influenced by black artists and black culture. Ben Sharpiro frequently says that hip hop is not music as a way to dogwhistle his racism.
shapiro couches this in asserting there are sufficient/necessary conditions of music, and then claiming that hip-hop/rap fails to meet these conditions. like, even if we accept his essentialist sort of premise, the contention that hip-hop doesn't make use of "rhythm" or "melody" is patently, obviously absurd on the most cursory examination of any track.
just an absolutely insufferable little freak.
I don't think this adds much to the discussion, because yeah there's a certain conception on what kind of sounds and rhythms are "music" and which aren't and if you grew up in a white dominated landscape then you're probably not going to be very receptive to rap which unlike rock or jazz music has remained a genre mostly dominated by black people. Probably because music taps in some primitive areas of our brain around communication and identity, more than just being a purely sensorial experience, people feel a sense of identity and belonging towards certain music.
But this isn't new or anything, people just weren't very receptive to Stravinsky's Rite of Spring back in the day. The difference is due to the way music is marketed towards certain segments, and due to technological breakthrough drastically changing access to music, the "generational" divide is very obvious, I guess it'll be interesting to find out if that gap will be less drastic in the future now that at least two "generations", millenials and zoomers, have been consuming music in the exact same way.
Personally, I gravitate towards new music and always have. I like seeing the way genres are pushed and new subgenres forming. I still like music I from when I was young, but I don't look back too much or get too caught up on nostalgia. People like that miss so many interesting things.
Nah, people just like stuff they've heard before, and without actual musical training (which is regularly refunded across the U.S.) it is tough to learn how to 'retrain' your ear towards different sounds and think they are normal.
For example, I like country music, but I hate most modern country music because it doesn't sound like country, it's too influenced by hip-hop, so it just sounds like lukewarm country-rap (which I'm not even a fan of when it's pure genre), but even then I don't like Classic Nashville because I grew up on grunge and punk so it's too slow. The country I like is more upbeat and reminiscent of rock n' roll with a twang or neo-folk than crooning with a twang. So I'm sure if I bothered to retrain my ear on old crooners I could like it, but I just trained my ear to hyperpop, so I'm exploring that genre atm.
Music taste is like a journey, skipping to the end without hitting the middle parts is difficult and everyone is starting from a different place. That is what makes consistent local scene genres so special, because it's a bunch of people who have all trained their ears in similar ways to listen for specific patterns and know that they 'vibe'.
Hey very cool how does this guy feel about women who fight for social justice?
I think he feels pretty good about it unless there's something I haven't heard. Fantano is pretty left-leaning for a popular YouTube personality.
You posted this same video on another Fantano thread I made months ago. In an interview, Anthony explained that his appearance in this video was a mix up. Fantano had said that he thought the video would be making fun of fragile white men, so he dressed up in a costume and pretended to be a fragile white man. The creator of the video took the footage and made it look like he was serious. Fantano says that he does not support that video and that he did not know that the other people would be in the video. Fantano says that if he could go back in time he would choose to not appear in that video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QXcOeU18Y
Fantano is not perfect. He has made some bad decisions and has had some bad takes. The important thing is that he recognizes his mistakes and seeks to correct them. Similarly the video that I posted is about trying to be open minded and recognizing your own biases.
I do remember everything that happend, thatistheplan was a vlog channel for Fantano and the reactionary stuff started firmly with Fantano butting into the Sarkeesian conversation with an entry to theneedledrop written blog where he claimed that, while he was no gamer, gamers were right to chide Sarkeesian since she didn't have experience with games. From there the thatistheplan channel just kinda sinked into a weird hole where he took aim at occupy protesters and socialists with a #ResistCapitalism character, started cozying up with the rational youtubers and everything eventually culminated with him featuring Sam Hyde on the main needledrop channel, Sam Hyde was a well-known fascist by then and his upcoming Adult Swim show was riling people the hell up. If it was a joke, it wasn't obvious because he even started getting video responses addressing his anti-communist stuff.
At the end, I assumed he SLAPPed the fader since his claim that the entire channel was irony was hard to contend against in court and history got rewritten. There was indeed a lot of stuff in thatistheplan that was obviously not made in earnest. The Hopsin Rules stuff is Fantano scoffing at Hopsin, but he pretty much was in-line with what most of /mu/ felt like at the time. If you knew you knew.
I mean at the end of the day it doesn't matter, it has no bearing on his reviews, but it does weird me out that Fantano wished to fix the record by arguing that it was a "mixup" or whatever, a significant departure from first claiming that the amazing atheist wasn't "alt-right". Why not just argue that he was a bit of an anti-feminist and has since changed his outlook?
I honestly think you're misrepresenting what he says in that video you posted, and even if he did say what you're saying, the idea that watching his bits in the anti-SJW video are supposed to be lampooning white men and not "SJWs" seems like kind of a ridiculous claim.
What part of anything he says is targeting white men? The things he says aren't ridiculous hyperbolic claims to make the speaker seem ridiculous, they're middle-of-the-road questions designed to own "SJWs"
He says in the interview that he thought the video was going to be "tongue in cheek" and "making fun of people like Atheismisunstoppable". He says "I took the opportunity to extend on a meme troll character that I was developing for my other channel at the time." He says that he put on a costume and pretended to be the worst person that he could imagine.
This is what I mean about misrepresenting what he says - you can't just put quotes around something no where in the video does he say he thinks the video will be making fun of people like athiesmisunstoppable.
Anyways, the broader point stands: if we take him at your most generous interpretation of his word and then watch the original video, can you point to a single thing he says or does that punches up instead of down?
Hmm, yeah I'm not really sure what's going on there. I would certainly like to see Fantano's video unedited with a little more context behind it. It doesn't really seem in line with anything I've heard him say in the past, though he often says things he doesn't agree with a heavy amount of sarcasm. Kind of feels like what's happening here, but I can't speak for him.
I will say that I've seen him review music that has pro-social justice themes, some from the perspective of women, where he expresses support for those movements whether or not he likes the music itself. For example, in the video featured in this post he's wearing a Lingua Ignota shirt. He gave her album Sinner Get Ready, which, among other things, is about her confronting trauma from past abuse, a 10/10.
This wasn't edited out of context, he submitted these clips for the compilation
From what others are saying, there's still important context missing. For example, I watched the video another user posted where he addresses the situation, which leads me to believe he didn't understand the context in which the clips would be used. Though I think these clips are still edited down from a larger video.
p. sure he gave misogyny a strong 2, light 3, and wore a yellow flannel for review of preening, useless scoldery, so you should be in the clear.
does he support ethics in gaming journalism? i don't think he does anymore, but he does have a series of suspicious gaffes since his heel-turn after the now deleted Fader exposé.
