Extremely grim stuff. These English language propaganda campaigns serve a dual purpose both as rallying cries for western warhawks and regular, humiliating reminders to the ukrainian people that NATO destroyed what little democracy they had left in 2014 and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
They're fucking around. Within your lifetime, they're going to find out. Perhaps, just perhaps, they should not be plunging the world into perpetual war over and over for profit.
I think there's an episode of Radio War Nerd that talks about the Maidan coup. If there isn't a dedicated episode they go over it in one of their earlier episodes on the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
humiliating reminders to the ukrainian people that NATO destroyed what little democracy they had left in 2014 and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
I never even considered this angle of it. I just assumed this represented the average Ukrainian's views. Might be because I live in :amerikkka: where most people's political views align pretty closely with whatever the media says.
It represents the views of liberal minded upper and middle class people in urban areas as well as actual fascists but not necessarily all Ukrainians. A significant portion of Ukrainians see NATO and Russia as equally responsible for the war, many Ukrainian refugees have fled to Russia and Zelensky has banned political parties accounting for probably over 60% of the electorate.
Ukraine and Russia didn't really have a hard border prior to the Maidan coup. A lot of that "Russia is kidnapping Ukrainian children!" is probably just kids who lived in Ukrain being reunited with family that live in Russia. It's very inconvenient to the narrative for anyone to remember how much the two states were still inter-linked right up until Ukraine devolved in to FAFO.
Extremely grim stuff. These English language propaganda campaigns serve a dual purpose both as rallying cries for western warhawks and regular, humiliating reminders to the ukrainian people that NATO destroyed what little democracy they had left in 2014 and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
They're fucking around. Within your lifetime, they're going to find out. Perhaps, just perhaps, they should not be plunging the world into perpetual war over and over for profit.
:doubt:
And I say that as a relatively optimistic communist organiser lol
Am I overly optimistic? Yeah probably.
Are they LONG overdue for facing meaningful consequences? Yeah definitely.
Where can I read more about this? I remember it faintly but I was too young to really understand back then.
I think there's an episode of Radio War Nerd that talks about the Maidan coup. If there isn't a dedicated episode they go over it in one of their earlier episodes on the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Okay I will seek this ty
Here you go
Wonderful, ty
I never even considered this angle of it. I just assumed this represented the average Ukrainian's views. Might be because I live in :amerikkka: where most people's political views align pretty closely with whatever the media says.
It represents the views of liberal minded upper and middle class people in urban areas as well as actual fascists but not necessarily all Ukrainians. A significant portion of Ukrainians see NATO and Russia as equally responsible for the war, many Ukrainian refugees have fled to Russia and Zelensky has banned political parties accounting for probably over 60% of the electorate.
NATO is a radically anti-democratic force.
Ukraine and Russia didn't really have a hard border prior to the Maidan coup. A lot of that "Russia is kidnapping Ukrainian children!" is probably just kids who lived in Ukrain being reunited with family that live in Russia. It's very inconvenient to the narrative for anyone to remember how much the two states were still inter-linked right up until Ukraine devolved in to FAFO.