This site is wearing me down this past week.

edit: I am more worn down. Shouldn't have posted this thread. Feeling awful about my future.

  • Grandpa_garbagio [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    That first one is nuanced and agreeable and not related at all to what this thread is about

    • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It kinda felt like this was in response to the threads saying "you can socialize sometimes actually" that have been coming up lately

    • space_comrade [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I got called a "plague rat" today for essentially having the first take.

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Because in the end if you're telling people they're mentally ill if they don't go into indoor environments with people who don't mask, it doesn't matter what your internal monologue about it is.

        • space_comrade [he/him]
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          People should be wearing masks more but yes I do believe a lot of people here are suffering from health anxiety, I'm not gonna back down from that.

          Covid sucks but obsessing this much over it isn't helping anybody unless they are among the vulnerable demographics who should obviously be taking more precautions than the average person.

          • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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            Okay well then you're just a straight up covid science denier. 'Vulnerable demographics' include people who have gotten covid before. Reinfections are common. Damage is cumulative. There is no 'safe' population that it's okay to give covid to.

            And I'll add: you can't perfectly sequester the 'vulnerable' communities with a disease that's as contagious as smallpox. And either way you slice that objective reality: you're doing eugenics.

              • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                The science isn't whatever you want it to be. I encourage you to leave your mind palace and actually look, since it sounds like you haven't since the Omicron wave.

                And yes, a lot more people did die.

                What are you even disputing? Do you believe in herd immunity now as much as chuds did in 2020?

                • space_comrade [he/him]
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                  What are you even disputing?

                  I'm disputing the general sentiment here that a healthy person getting Covid (maybe even more than once) necessarily implies doom and gloom for that person for the rest of their lives.

                  • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                    Someone is either ignorant of or indifferent to the observed percentage of people who get long covid. It's high.

                    And you're performing extreme cope if rhetorically your open ended let 'er rip campaign ends for each individual the second time they get it.

                    Getting real "it's not going to happen to me" vibes from this conversation

                      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                        2 years ago

                        I'm going to disengage now and I'd like you to know I stopped reading your comment when you led off with a personal anecdote wrapped in two tortillas of snark

                          • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                            "As long as I can find one industry paid scientist that says what I want to hear, the vast majority of science is just cherrypicking"

                            • Chuds circa 2002 RE: global warming

                            Look. I picked up a snowball. My personal experience is that you're wrong. Way more rational to believe what I can see, n'est pas?

                            • space_comrade [he/him]
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                              2 years ago

                              Look. I picked up a snowball.

                              Except I know of about a 100 cases of Covid from friends family and acquaintances, and many more from second or third hand stories so again unless I'm living among genetically superior ubermen or just people that are very very extremely lucky I think I have a halfway decent sample. If it was THAT bad I think I'd be seeing it a bit more death and long term illness around me. I still heard stories of death and my friends that worked in hospitals told a bunch of horror stories and that's awful but it's also not the apocalypse you're making it out to be. It doesn't have to be either the common cold or the doomsday virus, it's somewhere in between.

                              • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                                The problem with anecdotal evidence is not the sample size. It is the sampling method.

                                • space_comrade [he/him]
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                                  2 years ago

                                  Yes I must be mistaken, everybody around me is secretly suffering from long Covid without telling me anything about it.

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              • macabrett
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                2 years ago

                If that effect of Covid was that prevalent and as serious as you’re implying we’d be seeing a lot more dead this year.

                Have you checked America's excess deaths for 2022?

                • space_comrade [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Looks pretty in line with expectation considering the amount of Covid infections. I don't see anything that would indicate people's immune system's collapsing en masse.

                  • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                    So even after killing off all the most vulnerable people, it's managing to maintain that.

                    As much log is burning now as kindling when the fire started.

                  • macabrett
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                    2 years ago

                    I'm guessing you think the surges of flu and RSV above any previous year was due to immunity debt, a thing that was made up entirely by covid deniers?

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                      • macabrett
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                        2 years ago

                        Yes, you're describing immunity debt, which has no basis in reality and was made up by covid deniers.

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                      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                        We know covid weakens peoples immune systems not based on inference taken from how diseases propagate. We know it damages the immune system from counting T-cells in people with infections.

                        THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH SPECULATION GOING ON IN THIS THREAD

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              • MeatfuckerDidNothing [they/them]
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                2 years ago

                I don’t think the idea that damage is cumulative is really settled science.

                covid damages the immune system, making repeat infections more damaging. There might be confounding variables but covid damage being cumulative is absolutely settled science. Even ignoring that, if you keep rolling a d20 the chance of you rolling a 1 at some point approaches one the more you roll.

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                  • MeatfuckerDidNothing [they/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    We know that covid is particularly damaging to the immune system though. Yes, all infections cause immune system damage, obviously.

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                          • MeatfuckerDidNothing [they/them]
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                            It is obvious you don't know what you're talking about here, please do some research instead of relying on half remembered biology classes. Do you think the immune response erases the stress on your circulatory system from previous infections? Even mild infections damage circulation

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                      • dat_math [they/them]
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                        2 years ago

                        Yes, there is. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

          • MeatfuckerDidNothing [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            I do believe a lot of people here are suffering from health anxiety

            Don't pathologize people who are trying to avoid a deadly and debilitating disease

            Covid sucks but obsessing this much over it isn’t helping anybody unless they are among the vulnerable demographics

            1. Everyone is to some extent vulnerable

            2. This is saying "fuck the vulnerable" which is just straight up eugenics

            • macabrett
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              2 years ago

              I appreciate you, comrade.