https://lemmy.world/post/14915539
run by the dude from The Apprentice
This has always been liberals' foremost issue with Trump: that they find him embarrassing, not that he is tangibly worse than what they have to offer, or worse than all the other shitty presidents we've had before.
Idk. I think a sadly high number of them would vote for him if he ran as a dem
"look, I don't like him either, but do you really want Ron Desantis to win? We have to vote Trump!"
A sterling example comes from that time he launched a massive missile strike against an (empty) airbase in Syria for no discernible reason, and all the lib media was fawning over it and how Trump was maybe turning properly Presidential
He sullies the meritocratic notion that those who went to good prep schools, Ivy Leagues, urban, must be astute and cultured.
What exactly is the difference between Trump and Biden? Everything they warned us would happen under Trump is happening under Biden right now. And if they haven't happened yet, he has 0 safeguards for the future democrats who would holder power, and in fact, he's been bolstering the potential powers of a future fascist leader. The party isn't even interested in performatively condemning police brutality towards peaceful protestors. How long before Biden orders the police to beat all the students on the grass so he can take a picture holding the constitution with the zionist counter protestors?
They are having brunch and dinners while the world suffers, while their own pathetic party suffers, partially because the Israel lobby is strong and you can't exactly criticize cops who are "defending" the schools from "antisemitism," but also partially because they're genuinely offended that anyone could have a problem with what Israel is doing. They don't give a about you living in a dictatorship. It's actually beneficial because they can have their conservative goons enforce their ideology with force while they get to sit back and pretend to be saddened.
in fact, he's been bolstering the potential powers of a future fascist leader
Libs: "We can't do [good thing] by presidential decree because that will empower Trump if he wins."
Also libs: "Yeah, crack down on those rowdy antisemitic students protesting against genocide!"
Biden is useful in establishing this as the status quo. Concentration camps on the border are just run of the mill, crackdowns on protestors is a-ok and genocide is just a thing you need to get as a treat.
I don’t doubt that Trump could do worse in a multitude of areas, but it wouldn’t be possible without the legitimacy that is given to positions like these by Biden or dems at large.
Guantanamo is still running. I remember when libs were up in arms about it during the Bush era, just like the kids in cages with Trump.
What exactly is the difference between Trump and Biden? Everything they warned us would happen under Trump is happening under Biden right now.
All of those things are happening to people they don't care about over things they don't care about. They are worried about those things happening to people they care about over things they care about.
I remember when saying that centrism was "genociding half the group" was a joke/criticism, but somehow it got lathed and now every lib is just saying it unironically.
Look, if we don't let Biden firebomb Rafah, then trump might firebomb Rafah and we don't want that
And if we're very well-behaved, we might get lucky enough to hear Biden tell Netanyahu that he's very disappointed in him before sending him another couple billion in unconditional military aid!
Me, the president of the united states, while blocking the ICC from prosecuting netanyahu: "look, jack, you gotta cool it"
I don't know about this one chapos. I mean, can you imagine what it would be like to live under a dictatorship? They'd probably do crazy shit like ban bodily autonomy, ban protesting, make it illegal to criticize regimes that are in league with the dictator, ban mass communication platforms, crack down on immigration, allow friendly corporations to operate their own mafias they'd use to kill whistleblowers, and just generally crush poor and working people. I wouldn't want to live under a rule like that.
Don't forget passing the most draconian mass surveillance bill, turning every American business into an arm of the state, ever (even since the last one).
Maybe if you did some collective action between events instead of waiting two years for the polls to open and then complaining that FPTP is still giving you only two choices.
You mean like the student protests that are getting brutalized by police under Democrat mayors?
Edit: fucking hell that thread is horrible. Indistinguishable from
Are you trying to suggest biden is some sort of super bean with power over the democratic party?? mr biden is a small b smol bean, he cant fight grassroots mayoral politics!!
How successful would a Trump "dictatorship" even be?Republican state legislatures have been successful in getting reactionary xenophobic laws passed with no counter from the Federal Government under Biden.
Democrat run states are neoliberal hellscapes, sure (California homelessness and all) but Republicans have been unsuccessful in getting anti-abortion or anti-LGBTQ laws passed there and that won't change under Trump.
Can they even describe what a Trump "dictatorship" would entail that is different from current repression? Roe V Wade is gone, COVID welfare is gone, tax cuts on the rich have not been reversed.
Can they even describe what a Trump "dictatorship" would entail that is different from current repression?
No they can't. At least not realistically, because they aren't materially grounded. Its total idealism. A dictatorship of vibes basically
But Trump might bypass Congress to send weapons to Israel; Trump might threaten multiple countries at once, bringing us closer to world war 3; Trump might allow bands of right wing agitators to assault kids on college campuses with impunity; Trump might alienate everyone who doesn’t want genocide by accusing them of being terrorists; etc.
Wait…
Obviously I don't give a shit about civility but imagine being so offended by Trump's rudeness and then deciding Biden is oh so civil. His entire campaign last time was basically just insulting people in increasingly bizarre ways ("listen fat, lying dog faced pony soldier, you ain't black") and his next one will have added angry, incoherent dementia outbursts.
What are libs going to do if/when it doesn't result in a dictatorship and Trump goes away after 4 years?
Does the fact that they spent 8 years lying just get memory holed? Or does it have consequences?
It won't matter because for libs the concept of living under a dictatorship is purely vibes based. Their definition involves no material consequences or realities just vibes
Also there are lots of places under full Republican control that aren't dictatorships. Every rural area in America isn't nazi-land, just kinda shitty places filled with Jesus signs and annoying people.
Does the fact that they spent 8 years lying just get memory holed?
:yea:
Brunch will be cancelled
Then brunch will be back!
(Memory hole every time)
The best part: brunch was never actually canceled in the first place.
They find a new boogeyman to be scared of and immediately start rehabilitating Trump.
We already had all this scaremongering about Trump the first time round, and it didn't happen. So yes, it's already been memory holed once, and is now equally believed again. The loop shall continue.
No consequences just a rightward shift. We are in the endgame of power getting consolidated while there's still a planet to extract resources from.
I just posted this Eli Valley cartoon:
Show
on lemmy.world's political meme comm: https://lemmy.ml/post/15144141
I saw it in a post that CyborgMarx just made.
What do you think, will they like my cartoon as much as they liked the Squidward one?
I love this one. One of his best, imo. He Fuckin Gets It.
You want to have genocide And fascism? Because this is how you get genocide and fascism.
Oh, sorry, I didn't realise that this was one of those ethically sourced, fascism-free genocides.
Look, if you follow all the procedures, dot your i's and cross your t's, then a genocide or two is pretty much fine. But could you imagine the horror of a genocide by somebody like Orange Man, who wouldn't even sign the paperwork?
I really hate Biden’s unquestioning support of Israel but holy fuck under Trump some of my friends might actually die.
Least myopic liberal.
Tens of thousands of our brothers and sisters in Humanity have been murdered in Gaza, but they don't (can't) see it that way.
lmao "The Dictatorship" honestly after 4 years of Dems pushing us minorities in front of the fascist bus, I'm more than willing to push the libs in front of this so-called "Federal Consulship" Trump is apparently gonna install
Turnabout is fair play after all
Just strategically, holding the libs in front of the bus too might be the only way to make them self-interested enough to actually try and do something about it too.
I voted Hillary in 2016. I'm glad I did or else she would have lost
% they would
can fit so many fucking holes in it.
Velveeta voldemort
MFW before I see the comm
