https://twitter.com/SenFettermanPA/status/1786064644383142187
I will eat the toe meat off a cow that was fed chicken shit its whole life but I draw the line at cells in a sterile environment.
I can already see 20 years in the future, when China is doing the fucking best lab-grown steak the human specie have ever taste, supplying the world with cheap, nutritious and sustainable meat while the US cry about how they are "overflowing" the market.
Don't hold your breath. Lab grown meat is a pipedream that serves only venture capitalists. Just eat fucking beans.
You can already eat lab grown meat in certain restaurants in China. Do you really think it’s going to stop being developed on? This is the same society that made caviar available to the masses.
Thesis: Lab-grown meat
Antithesis: Beans
Synthesis: Lab-grown beans
they have actually been working on lab grown plants. i read a research paper about using it to make only the edible and good part of the avocado, or various plants that we largely dont eat but eat small parts of them, it could be way more efficient to grow certain plants like that in a lab
https://techcrunch.com/2021/01/20/mit-develops-method-for-lab-grown-plants-that-eventually-lead-to-alternatives-to-forestry-and-farming/
this article talks about using it for wood
Unironically. Less people in the fields, and hopefully less people in factories once automation is better, means a closer step to actual veganism. I’m just hoping that the automation doesn’t mean a lower quality of life for workers who will inevitably get laid off.
people keep saying this but the meat industry is clearly very terrified of this and is lobbying politicians. i feel like that alone shows there is potential, beyond the advancements china uses to make egg whites and pig skins
Shit don’t make any sense. Stuff like weed and meat alternatives are a profitable and emerging market. Why don’t these people pivot towards it or at the very least make it easier for them to exploit the market once shit hits the fan and all the cows disappear?
Requires investment in new infrastructure and dealing with new regulations. They want profit now not tomorrow
And also all your existing infrastructure and know-how could end up losing its value. I believe the ICE car industry has similar concerns wrt electrification.
I get that a lot of capitalists are probably invested in meat agriculture, but opposing weed makes no sense at all to me financially. It's not like it's gonna take away from existing industries, it's by far the easiest drug to get your hands on and rn it's an illegal market to invest in. The only reason I can think of is brainworms, like these capitalists must associate drugs with poor people and people of colour, which are obviously evil
My thing is: who is the target demographic? I don't see anyone switching back from being vegetarian or vegan, and right wingers already hate it. Wine moms who still shop at Whole Foods?
Are veggie meat alternatives cheaper that meat? Because I think once you have a product that is just as tasty and cheaper it's just a generation or maybe two to wipe up the meat industry.
No, they're not, but people need to get over burger brain and realize you don't have to eat meat every meal. Meat substitutes are nice for a treat, but you should totally just eat plants if you're veg/vegan
Anyone who isn’t anti-woke or already vegan/vegetarian? Which is still… a lot of people. Just less in America where oh no the woke virus or fucking whatever. Still plenty who do want to eat less meat or whatever.
I just don't see that happening. They have an opportunity to make "flawless" meat and they'll do it. The peasants can eat the factory farm garbage
Plenty of people can't digest a lot of plant meats, but can digest real meat. There's a ton of potentially problematic issues with plant based meat right now, including high amounts of carbohydrates and complex sugars. So it's very good for people with medical disabilities
Honestly, I'd be very in favor of lab-grown animal products, if they were affordable enough. I'm a pretty big foodie and it would be very wonderful to have an ethical way of enjoying and sharing recipes for which I've been unable to find an adequate vegan substituion.
Tbr market is people who want to keep eating meat and think the cure to environmental disaster is random technological innovation
Good point. Like how electric cars are supposed to save us, but are worse for the environment because of the production process
In the west maybe, but the technology is emergent and there's capacity for development, it's not like it's fusion tech
East Asia seems to be the place it will overcome the engineering hurdles and go to scale
I understand your doubt, it's not unfounded. It is informed by the status quo of capitalists overselling and underdelivering on every single innovation or technology.
However, I believe it's not a pipe dream to serve venture capitalists, it's a pipe dream because of venture capitalists. Think what we can achieve if we didn't have to cut corners to please shareholders, if every technique and breakthrough wasn't trademarked or patented so they may be improved by others, if the end goal is to service the people and not make very few people very wealthy.
It is a pipe dream because they are trying to get you to fund a ladder they can use to climb to wealth and pull up after them.
But it is possible, and if anything, it's more realistic than converting the average person to go vegan, esp with the reactionaries that will go out of their way to consume more meat out of spite.
They already have the best lab grown meat, theyre using it mostly for egg whites and pig skins right now (both are used a lot in traditional chinese cooking, egg whites in particular look very promising because they have their own 'immune' defense re: lysozymes, ovomucoids, innate ph balancers, etc.), though a lot of restaurants in hong kong serve chicken
lysozymes can also be found in milk, and there has been some interesting developments in lab grown milk production using the same process that makes insulin. this would be useful for human milk too for mothers that have breastfeeding issues, human milk in general is very unique and has extremely high lysozyme counts which makes it a good candidate. personally i really hope lab grown dairy takes off, a lot of vegan cheeses taste like ass
Can you provide sources? I thought lab-grown albumen was early in development, and that lab-grown chicken was extremely expensive but being used by like a single restaurant in Singapore.
They have a whole outline in the latest 5 year plan of the cpc, they hosted a very large conference with a lot of cpc members and fed them all fabricated pig skin noodles and egg whites. I posted about it here a while back. I'm too lazy to search it but it's on here somewhere
This tech is related to organ growth tech, I hope that they get their shit together and give me a uterus and ovaries smh
really hope lab grown dairy takes off, a lot of vegan cheeses taste like ass
Unironically I think this is one of the biggest obstacles preventing white people from becoming vegan. Most people in my country will have a dairy product in at least one meal a day. Sunflower substitute don't taste the same as butter or cheese and aren't really a substitute, they're just a different ingredient entirely.
Unfortunately most lab meat processes require fetal bovine serum. A process for growing lab meat without FBS was achieved in 2022 though.
FBS is a by-product of the meat industry. FBS, as with the vast majority of animal serum used in cell culture, is produced from blood collected at commercial slaughterhouses from cattle that also supply meat intended for human consumption.
CW: description of the FBS collection process
The first stage of the production process for FBS is the harvesting of blood from the bovine fetus after the fetus is removed from the slaughtered cow.
The fetus dies from the lack of oxygen by remaining in the protective environment of the uterus for a minimum of 15–20 minutes after the cow is dead.
The blood is collected aseptically into a sterile container or blood bag and then allowed to clot.
The normal method of collection is cardiac puncture. This minimizes the danger of serum contamination with micro-organisms from the fetus itself, and the environment, while maximizing the volume of blood collected.
[dairy is] the biggest obstacles preventing white people from becoming vegan.
Me. I love milk, cream butter. Just can't give it up. It's (together with the price of non-dairy) the last obstacle.
We stopped drinking milk because oat milk is incredibly tasty. Hope in the future it gets cheaper because at the moment is 3 times expensive than cow milk.
Genocide John getting furious at the idea of any creature not dying.
Hoping the pain is just a symptom of a serious underlying condition
Comrade Aneurysm, take my energy
Comrade Bloodclot, take my energy
Comrade Ischemia, take my energy
Comrade tripping and hitting his head on a toilet bowl in a gas station washroom.
Ever since he got elected his whole schtik is trying to be the "progressive" equivalent of "one of the good ones".
that slop
I won't eat this pink slime, I only eat pink slime from the finest Tyson slaughterhouses
Pretty bold for an american to talk shit about slop at all
It's just not the same if the animal hasn't lived a life of suffering.
pains me deeply
lmao no it doesn't, shut up you fuckin loser
Is it a coincidence that Manchin is retiring and this guy is coming out of pocket? Looks like we found our new rotating villain
I was thinking basically the same thing the other day. He's gonna end up like Manchin, Sinema, and Lieberman before him.
You WILL live in an apartment. You WILL eat the lab grown meat. You WILL put your kid on puberty blockers. You WILL take public transit. You WILL help raise the creche.
good lord do I want to force people to do these things
I want lab grown meat. It's been a dream of mine ever since I was a kid to taste mammoth.
Fuck that let's have celebrity cuts from DNA cloning
Give me a Biden burger with extra Jack cheese
What kinda Jack? We got Nicholson, we got Black, we got White, and even Chan.
They've been talking about lab-grown chicken nuggets hitting store shelves for a couple years now.
It’s such a bait and switch. The actual muscle and fats that people crave can’t really replicated just pink slime junk food you can make super convincing with soy anyway and far less energy.
Yeah but the thing is, there's a huge portion of the population out there that just flat-out refuses to eat any kind of "meat substitute". Some on a purely ideological ground, but plenty of otherwise well-meaning individuals that are just used to meat, and so anything else "just tastes weird".
To be fair, plenty of those same folks would still be against lab-meat for the same reasons, but I think it has the potential to bridge the gap a little and bring some more of those folks over, if you can say that this is "actually real meat", and particularly if the taste and texture are really on par.
I agree with your point though - soy proteins are about 90% as good as most meats (especially for something ground up like nuggets), and that's way more than enough to make it worth it imo. And it's even better when you're just not trying to replicate meat products in the first place - which I think is really the better approach - you can eat lots of great new things that aren't just burgers and nuggets and steaks! Being willing to eat meatless opens up such a huge new world of culinary space! It's wild that people that claim to be super invested in their food "tasting" just right are so unwilling to try the huge world of new flavors and experiences they are missing out on.
Like the meat industry is already abusing the word natural as much as it can so they are well primed if lab pink slime was ever economically viable.
Health systems are collapsing. Even if we won it would be such a dire situation. People need to get a real grip on their health and stop poisoning themselves.
You can get non-bleached by buying organic ($22 a pound and definitely not in 100% compliance with organic standards)
Just register as a Republican fucking goul. Tech is also probably how we are going to 3D print viable organs so we don't need to worry about waitlists for transplants and shit.
Democrats are sprinting to the right, and people like fetterman provide cover
”The slop I serve my children is made by real animal abusing Americans!”
Eh it's fine. If lab grown meat ever becomes practical then China will just do it and leave us behind, and all I can say is good luck!
if they pull of cheap abundant energy they will probalbly pull it off. just need to dump super inefficient (compared to an animal) energy into growing feedstock and running bio-reactors
