That whole post was wild. As it was “It’s weird that this is suddenly a thing.. :thinking-about-it: “ followed by people who apparently always hate gas and stovetops with barely any mention of furnaces or hot water heating.
The furnaces and hot water heating are the main problem. Gas companies convinced people that gas stoves are better and they want them. And if you already have a gas stove you might as well use gas for your furnace and water heater too. And that increases gas use, more money for gas companies, more carbon for the air.
there’s an even bigger contingent who are resistant to making any amount of minor changes to their lives, things that are going to be necessary if we ever get serious about climate change.
Individual consumer choices are not going to stop climate change. In fact let's have an entire struggle session about how centering individual choices as a method of combatting climate change comes directly from a propaganda campaign funded by the oil industry to essentially sabotage any attempt at mitigating global warming because of silly culture wars like this. The oil industry reliably shuts down any serious discussion about global warming by keeping people made about gas stoves and hot showers and plastic vibrators instead of being mad about coal fired power plants.
Like I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, you are literally reproducing a propaganda campaign created by the oil companies to sabotage efforts to control climate change.
Seriously. The whole idea of individual consumer choice, individual carbon footprint, individually reducing energy use, they are all, literally, oil industry psyops, and even NPR admits it.
The gas stove thing isn’t just about individual choice though. Yes you switching from a gas to electric stove won’t change anything. But banning gas stoves in all new construction would.
If the western left had the power to ban gas stoves in all new constructions then we would also have the power to nationalize and replace the oil/gas industry outright, because there's no way a capitalist government would ever agree to that measure without a revolution.
It does make me wonder if there's a lot of people who read these pieces, I assume most people just tune them out completely, nobody wants to know how their CO2 fart emissions contribute to global warming. It's background noise, I'm not even sure if it's a good driver for clicks. Sorry to "The Weed Witch" author Sophie Saint Thomas but this is probably the first time anyone has actually even come as close as analyzing this piece, like this small board is probably the most attention it will receive. Ever.
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That whole post was wild. As it was “It’s weird that this is suddenly a thing.. :thinking-about-it: “ followed by people who apparently always hate gas and stovetops with barely any mention of furnaces or hot water heating.
The furnaces and hot water heating are the main problem. Gas companies convinced people that gas stoves are better and they want them. And if you already have a gas stove you might as well use gas for your furnace and water heater too. And that increases gas use, more money for gas companies, more carbon for the air.
I’d have died several times in winter if we were electric only heating in the northern US.
Gas infra is good (and expensive) because it's underground. Electric could be as good.
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Individual consumer choices are not going to stop climate change. In fact let's have an entire struggle session about how centering individual choices as a method of combatting climate change comes directly from a propaganda campaign funded by the oil industry to essentially sabotage any attempt at mitigating global warming because of silly culture wars like this. The oil industry reliably shuts down any serious discussion about global warming by keeping people made about gas stoves and hot showers and plastic vibrators instead of being mad about coal fired power plants.
Like I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, you are literally reproducing a propaganda campaign created by the oil companies to sabotage efforts to control climate change.
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/31/822597631/plastic-wars-three-takeaways-from-the-fight-over-the-future-of-plastics
Seriously. The whole idea of individual consumer choice, individual carbon footprint, individually reducing energy use, they are all, literally, oil industry psyops, and even NPR admits it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fossil-fuel-companies-spend-millions-to-promote-individual-responsibility-2021-3
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The gas stove thing isn’t just about individual choice though. Yes you switching from a gas to electric stove won’t change anything. But banning gas stoves in all new construction would.
If the western left had the power to ban gas stoves in all new constructions then we would also have the power to nationalize and replace the oil/gas industry outright, because there's no way a capitalist government would ever agree to that measure without a revolution.
it wasn't about the "western left" banning them
it was about if a ban the yankee federal government proposed was good or not
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It does make me wonder if there's a lot of people who read these pieces, I assume most people just tune them out completely, nobody wants to know how their CO2 fart emissions contribute to global warming. It's background noise, I'm not even sure if it's a good driver for clicks. Sorry to "The Weed Witch" author Sophie Saint Thomas but this is probably the first time anyone has actually even come as close as analyzing this piece, like this small board is probably the most attention it will receive. Ever.
A lot of well meaning NPR listening liberals take recycling very seriously.
some liberals out there be very anxious about their individual consumer choices. Even media consumption!
lol
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lol I stand corrected