• TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    She is a white-British-trans-Muslim who I am 90% positive was either in the military or at least whatever the British equivalent of the ROTC was, who was going to get a law degree (in Britain!) before stumbling ass-backwards into podcasting fame (?) and success.

    Everything about her and her opinions is incredibly idiosyncratic, and I think mostly proves that if Allah exists, they mostly love her and fucking with all of us.

    • hypercube [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      nah she was cadets afaik, which is weird army grooming shit for when you're 12-18, not actual military stuff

    • CTHlurker [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, I still follow both WTYP and Trashfuture, so I know sort of what Alice's identity is. I just still don't understand anything about how she arrives at the conclusions that she does. I also DESPERATELY want to ask her if she became muslim before or after she had her egg-crack-moment (sorry, not entirely sure what the correct terminology is).

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        I've been listening a long time to most of their stuff (long shifts and needing to fill time mostly, I limit myself to listening to the entire History of Rome once a year), and all I can tell you is that it is mostly based off of whatever they think will piss 'tankies' (basically Twitter ML's) off the most.

        There is no real coherent theory, or justification, or any actual thought, I'm pretty sure it comes down to mostly oppositional posting. Egg on people who don't know how to log off to feed the algorithm.

        Also, no idea. I would probably not like to talk to her for any real length of time, because, much like Zizek, she is a deeply unserious person.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        I just still don’t understand anything about how she arrives at the conclusions that she does.

        She got to spend a quarter of her life eating shit for being Trans. That'll leave its mark. If she was raised in the Balkins or Belarus, I imagine she might have come out as an anti-comm reactionary for similar reasons. Also, she's Scottish, I think? Which means she's predisposed to kinda hate England on principle as well as the merits.

        Plenty of American Leftists who run the spectrum on bad beliefs. But I notice Alice eating tons of shit more for being a high profile trans-podcaster-leftist than for anything she says that's particularly damning. A woman on five different podcasts who didn't issue the occasional bad-take would either be the most PC organism on the planet or the reincarnation of Lenin.

        I also DESPERATELY want to ask her if she became muslim before or after she had her egg-crack-moment

        I feel like this has been answered at some point somewhere. But it also kinda feels like it was synchronous. In a Western WASP country, Islamic spirituality offered a refuge from Anglican bigotry.

        • CTHlurker [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          On the Bicycle episode of WTYP she mentioned having grown up in Southern London, which also explains why she hasn't got anything resembling a scottish accent. She does however live in Glasgow and have been for a while. Honestly I don't think she gets more shit for being a trans podcaster as much as she gets constantly shat on for being extremely online. Like I get that her job is to make entertainment, and I've even admitted to still following some of her work, so clearly she is good at it, but she really needs to stop tweeting sometimes.

          Also American leftists have plenty of bad takes, and they also usually get told to shut the fuck up. Only reason the Chapo guys don't feature more on this site is because only a fraction of our active users even follow them.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            2 years ago

            she really needs to stop tweeting sometimes.

            Sure. Her and the rest of us.

            But this is a woman with politics easily comparable to a Jack Flores or Liz Fransac. She's routinely described in the same terms as Va*sh or Destiny.

            Only reason the Chapo guys don’t feature more on this site is because only a fraction of our active users even follow them.

            Which sort of begs the question of where they're even coming from.

            • CTHlurker [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Do a lot of people here follow Liz Fransac? I have no idea who the fuck Jack Flores is, but I don't remember seeing a lot of people talk about Liz' personal twitter. I also don't really think most people here listen to Truanon in the first place, so she naturally will get less scrutiny than Alice, who is still the cohost of one of the better podcasts :wtyp:

              • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                2 years ago

                A lot of people follow TrueAnon. Brace is the more colorful one, but Liz Franczak (apologies for my butchered spelling in the original) does a ton of the leg work.

                I have no idea who the fuck Jack Flores

                Should be Jake. He's the lead on Pod Damn America. And he's at least as popular as anyone at The Antifada or Rev Left Radio.

                she naturally will get less scrutiny than Alice,

                If you're hooked into the Nate Bethay extended universe but you don't follow any of the folks who frequently show up on the Chapo podcast... throws up hands

                How the fuck did you even find this place?

                • CTHlurker [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  I listened to Chapo for quite a long time, and made an account here within the first week of this site opening, after the original ChapoTrapHouse sub got banned. I vaguely know what you mean by Nate Bethay-universe, but I don't typically listen to anything that gets plugged by the guests on the Chapo pod.

        • sempersigh [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          It seems pretty transparent to me when beloved figures like Felix Biederman have expressed the exact same anti covid restriction sentiment on Twitter and the podcast but nobody seems to bring it up.

          The guy has tweets getting pissy about having to wear a mask in the gym but if Alice said something like that it would get 500 upbeats in the dunk tank lol