Diane Sare was the Larouche senate* for NY congress so we've only got the finest of minds here :data-laughing:
this is not the win for their activism they think it is lmao
Grayzone lost it with the anti vax stuff. CodePink I think this is the first time I have seen an L from them.
I want to say that Code Pink genuinely are pretty good, and we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Either they didn't know better, or at least their intentions are decent.
They are, this is the first indication of fuckshit I’ve seen from them
these people need to just nut up and form a party of reactionary-but-only-for-contrarian-reasons dipshits. their presidential candidate could be tulsi gabbard.
also who the fuck is supreme i don't see a single box logo on that scrub
Wonder how long it would take to collapse? So many grifters (and likely sex pests).
Anti-war is anti-war. Why is the American left getting outflanked by these nerds?
Rage against the machine
Fascists stop stealing from leftists and come up with something by yourself for once challenge (impossible)
They're not actually anti-war, they just want to use it to slip in their fash talking points. "Anti-war" libertarians are more than fine with "non-violent" forms of class war, like starving the poor or letting a sick person suffer if they can't afford healthcare.
It's the same as when rightys talk about freedom of speech, they don't actually mean it.
Ok but they are at least posturing as anti-war. Where is the American left? We need to get our shit together this is embarrassing to get outflanked by these libertarian shitheads
It's easy to say "get your shit together" but the American right is well-funded and supported by the corrupt status quo. The American left would never be allowed to hold a platform like this. They are in the heart of the imperial machine. Oligarchs put hundreds of millions, maybe more, into funding the right and silencing the left. You might as well ask why the German left didn't just 'get their shit together' after the Nazis purged them.
Look what they did to Sanders, and he's just a social Democrat, not even a proper leftist.
We can't play by their rules and hold seminars out in the open. We have to be sneakier and more underground then that, or we need to start rioting again (in a videogame)
I disagree, organizations like the DSA or other left formations could be holding anti-war rallies and organizing publicly similar to what happened during the Vietnam and Iraq wars but they are not. The reason they are not isn’t increased repression (repression was much more brutal during Cold War era Vietnam, where dogs were sicked on protesters and protesters beaten by thugs regularly). The reason is reduced interest and a fractured, unprincipled left that cannot decide whether supporting imperial war is good or not so they have settled on an uneasy peace of not talking about it.
That uneasy, unprincipled moratorium on the Ukraine-Russia crisis amongst the Western left is cowardice and indicative of a fundamental weakness and failure in the principles of Western leftists and susceptibility to Liberal narratives. We desperately need a principled Marxist party that cuts through the unprincipled stagnation and gets directly to the heart of the issue: no world war, no arms shipments, no supporting Nazis and imperialists in an unholy alliance with western radlibs. Until WW3 is a more pressing issue for westerners than gas stove culture wars and other distractions they aren’t going to get it.
Anti war with basically just Russia. They still want to start WW3 with China.
Where is the American left?
There were decent anti-war protests outside congresscritters' homes from the left a year ago, they just aren't covered by RW media. if you don't know that's on you, not an indictment of 'the American left' you want it to be
a year ago
So before the crisis escalated and westerners went into a bloodrage? We don’t need them when the going is easy, we need them when the nation is marching to war
I was rounding up but please carry on being the one true leftist I'm sure your revolution is right around the corner
What part of “we need to get our shit together” makes you think I’m above this?
It's really interesting to see all these weird cliques of political media personalities that have non-formally formed. There are the chud people associated with that one podcaster guy (and probably various other chud cliques that I know nothing about). There's the Assange/that group of people who had that big meeting speech thing yesterday "The Belmarsh Tribunal", and there's this "populist right-wing leftist" thing all these weirdos are doing, and then the "patsoc" thing which I guess already went off the rails. Obviously the second group is the only respectable one. And then I guess we have the small "dirtbag left" clique of the Chapos and affiliates, but that's not really the same thing. And somewhere in there people like Vijay Prashad, Yanis Varoufakis, etc. fit in as well. Just among weird political groups/leanings in the US/western world (that I'm familiar with).
At the end of the day it all feels pretty much meaningless since it's just comfortable people who have way too much to lose, giving speeches and talking to each other on podcasts. They're producing almost nothing other than Discourse™, but for 'left-wingers' that's better than nothing, and it's kind of comforting and horrifying at the same time.
it sucks so hard how some pretty decent people look like absolute shit when they get paired up with disgusting ghouls. i hate it man, everyone is problematic. but it's also like there is so much shit happening all at once eventually everyone is lightly associated with some reactionary annoying people. i have no living heroes and i can forgive people who aren't at the right place all the time. but forgiveness can wear thin
how bad things are with no anti war movement
This just feels like Kosovo all over again. A bunch of liberals working themselves into a lather over a Just War where they can finally out-patriot the Republicans. Except, we're doing one better even than Kosovo because No American Soldiers Will Be Harmed In The Making Of This War.
None of the depressing flag-draped coffins or teary-eyed Gold Star Moms this time around, folks. All the coverage is exclusively about how badly Russia is losing and how awesome the newest line of Murder Machines will be once they're unleashed onto the field.
Just hope the non-libertarians bail out when the rest of these guys shift into pushing for war with china.
I keep telling myself that the US war machine must be running on fumes by now. I mean, holy fuck, we've been at this for over half my adult life. $40B/mo was what we were throwing at Iraq at its peak. Surely... surely by now we're hitting some kind of soft ceiling on military industrial export, right? Something in the US economy is going to have to give and cripple our ability to run the Endless Ammo cheat.
I mean, we're cranking up interest rates. We're drying up on fossil fuel reserves. Nobody Wants To Work Anymore. Someone tell me we're finally at a tipping point, because I just don't understand where all this surplus labor value is even coming from.
The idea that we could say "Fuck it! While we're at Ukraine, let's open up a full blown naval war on the other side of the Pacific!" boggles my mind. I literally can't even.
I just don’t understand where all this surplus labor value is even coming from.
The chance of
generatingstealing it in the future. That's what financialization is all about.Sure. But that's all on paper. You can't bomb someone with inflated stock shares. You need steel and jet fuel and pilots and engineers.
well yeah that's the only real thing we have left, more or less. all the potential surplus labor value is being funneled into that real production
