In a new interview, Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates said he views China's global ascent as a "huge win for the world." As the East Asian nation’s economy has seen major growth in recent years, the billionaire commented positively on China when he was asked by Michael Fullilove, executive director of Australia-based think tank the Lowy Institute, at an in-person event on Monday how “bullish” he was on the country. You know, I do think the current mentality of the U.S. to China — and which is reciprocated — is kind of a lose-lose mentality.
Might see more big names jump ship to praising China tbh. Writings been on the wall for awhile now, the only thing stopping people from realizing China being stronger than the US is nationalism at this point
Like the US doesn't have much left, there's not going to be any kind of turn around seeing it again gain stature economically or socially again. US military is an over funded joke really too. All the nukes and guns is the only thing keeping the fucking country together
It's a large country, landmass speaking, tenuously held together via the federal government. But the different people, lifestyles, viewpoints, and backgrounds are not homogenously spread throughout at all.
I don't know what it will look like, but I do not think it holds together like that.
I think that overestimates it. The US does have a larger base of right wing hyper-patriots than most countries of similar circumstances but, at the end of the day, they're outnumbered by people who simply just want to pay their bills and maybe want to feel good about living in the greatest country in the world as a bonus (ie. a coping mechanism). Ultimately, even most of the radical nationalists who actually buy into the rhetoric are under the sway of the Bourgeoisie, since we've seen that they lack any initiative otherwise. We're not dealing with folks like the Freikorps or other early fascist movements in Germany, forged from the hell that was WWI and experiencing a country in collapse. We're dealing with treat-addicted Weekend Warriors (albeit, ones who are still dangerous) who seem to be content to LARP just as the nation goes into a slow but steady decline.
Ultimately, it's the Bourgeoisie we should be afraid of, since under Biden they've begun to wise up and reinforce US hegemony (in the short term).
This is wishful thinking. The US directly or indirectly controls the vast majority of capital, production, and consumption around the world through its control over Germany, France, UK, Italy, Spain, Canada, Mexico, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc, etc. This type of analysis also leaves out the fact that growth in China assumes that the US market can absorb Chinese goods. An American collapse is a Chinese collapse. The Chinese know this, which is why they helped prop the system up after 2008. This doesn’t mean there won’t be conflict between the two but it also doesn’t mean that China is on the cusp of over taking the US.
I'm not talking about an immediate collapse, but you'll see certain capitalists sucking up to China more as they realize more money is available there.
I'm aware the US isn't just going to disappear. It'll be a slow dissolution, and the pieces of it that fall off will probably be known as eras of the country by historians versus anything immediately obvious to its citizens.
Sure yes individual capitalists will, just as some sucked up to the USSR. All that means is that the US state will intervene and prevent those capitalists from doing this in the same way it stops capitalists from doing any meaningful business in Iran even though it would be very lucrative. Perhaps capitalists hawking food products and furniture are safe but the heights of the tech, defence, and pharma sectors will not be
I'll make a prediction for 2024 of Elon Musk going on a huge pro-china spiel as he tries, and eventually fails, a last ditch effort to make Tesla relevant
Might see more big names jump ship to praising China tbh. Writings been on the wall for awhile now, the only thing stopping people from realizing China being stronger than the US is nationalism at this point
Like the US doesn't have much left, there's not going to be any kind of turn around seeing it again gain stature economically or socially again. US military is an over funded joke really too. All the nukes and guns is the only thing keeping the fucking country together
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Oh no I agree it's very powerful here in this cursed fucking land, but in the grand scheme it isn't a particularly lasting motivator for an empire lol
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I could see there being like 3 or 4 different "Americas" all claiming to be the real one though
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Love our brains
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It's a large country, landmass speaking, tenuously held together via the federal government. But the different people, lifestyles, viewpoints, and backgrounds are not homogenously spread throughout at all.
I don't know what it will look like, but I do not think it holds together like that.
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Hahaha yeah I just commented the same thought. Yeah I think they'll all be fighting to be the true patriot americans
I think that overestimates it. The US does have a larger base of right wing hyper-patriots than most countries of similar circumstances but, at the end of the day, they're outnumbered by people who simply just want to pay their bills and maybe want to feel good about living in the greatest country in the world as a bonus (ie. a coping mechanism). Ultimately, even most of the radical nationalists who actually buy into the rhetoric are under the sway of the Bourgeoisie, since we've seen that they lack any initiative otherwise. We're not dealing with folks like the Freikorps or other early fascist movements in Germany, forged from the hell that was WWI and experiencing a country in collapse. We're dealing with treat-addicted Weekend Warriors (albeit, ones who are still dangerous) who seem to be content to LARP just as the nation goes into a slow but steady decline.
Ultimately, it's the Bourgeoisie we should be afraid of, since under Biden they've begun to wise up and reinforce US hegemony (in the short term).
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This is wishful thinking. The US directly or indirectly controls the vast majority of capital, production, and consumption around the world through its control over Germany, France, UK, Italy, Spain, Canada, Mexico, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc, etc. This type of analysis also leaves out the fact that growth in China assumes that the US market can absorb Chinese goods. An American collapse is a Chinese collapse. The Chinese know this, which is why they helped prop the system up after 2008. This doesn’t mean there won’t be conflict between the two but it also doesn’t mean that China is on the cusp of over taking the US.
Put another way, China will not achieve its self set goal of socialism without revolution in America.
Fuck, it was first-worldism the whole time. Let's sub revolution with collapse
I'm not talking about an immediate collapse, but you'll see certain capitalists sucking up to China more as they realize more money is available there.
I'm aware the US isn't just going to disappear. It'll be a slow dissolution, and the pieces of it that fall off will probably be known as eras of the country by historians versus anything immediately obvious to its citizens.
Sure yes individual capitalists will, just as some sucked up to the USSR. All that means is that the US state will intervene and prevent those capitalists from doing this in the same way it stops capitalists from doing any meaningful business in Iran even though it would be very lucrative. Perhaps capitalists hawking food products and furniture are safe but the heights of the tech, defence, and pharma sectors will not be
I just agree with this, it's a solid look at the way it'll go.
My talk of dissolution is just where I think it's heading long term, very long term. I'd love a quick balkanizing but that's just unlikely.
I'll make a prediction for 2024 of Elon Musk going on a huge pro-china spiel as he tries, and eventually fails, a last ditch effort to make Tesla relevant