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No, when China is good it's because capitalism, but when China is bad it's because ebil gommunism.
i just meant from the perspective that they love bill gates and hate china
It's important for US capitalist propaganda to explain away the obvious rise in living conditions in China
Watching an hour of Bill Gates is something I refuse to do, but I did go back and scrub through the video. It seems like the majority of the context is Gates spreading "we'll never know what China really did about covid" nonsense, and I'd suspect this is the bit he threw out appear unbiased.
It's very funny that this is the only part of the quote to be deemed worthy of reporting. If it gets spread enough I'm sure we'll get a super sinophobic snopes article out of it.
Honestly I think Gates is probably one of the most aware billionaires, and fully aware of the consequences of his actions and how to lie about it. :melon-musk: is dangerous, sure, but Gates is a real fucking sicko and existential threat.
The rise in living conditions becoming so obvious that it can no longer be ignored, and that it's much harder to outright deny, is the story for me here.
Also why are you still allowed in public after the Epstein shit came out?
doesn't him just donate to a shitton of newspaper and stuff, his pr game is unreal for someone who got divorced because of his epstein connection came to light
Might see more big names jump ship to praising China tbh. Writings been on the wall for awhile now, the only thing stopping people from realizing China being stronger than the US is nationalism at this point
Like the US doesn't have much left, there's not going to be any kind of turn around seeing it again gain stature economically or socially again. US military is an over funded joke really too. All the nukes and guns is the only thing keeping the fucking country together
Oh no I agree it's very powerful here in this cursed fucking land, but in the grand scheme it isn't a particularly lasting motivator for an empire lol
I could see there being like 3 or 4 different "Americas" all claiming to be the real one though
It's a large country, landmass speaking, tenuously held together via the federal government. But the different people, lifestyles, viewpoints, and backgrounds are not homogenously spread throughout at all.
I don't know what it will look like, but I do not think it holds together like that.
Hahaha yeah I just commented the same thought. Yeah I think they'll all be fighting to be the true patriot americans
I think that overestimates it. The US does have a larger base of right wing hyper-patriots than most countries of similar circumstances but, at the end of the day, they're outnumbered by people who simply just want to pay their bills and maybe want to feel good about living in the greatest country in the world as a bonus (ie. a coping mechanism). Ultimately, even most of the radical nationalists who actually buy into the rhetoric are under the sway of the Bourgeoisie, since we've seen that they lack any initiative otherwise. We're not dealing with folks like the Freikorps or other early fascist movements in Germany, forged from the hell that was WWI and experiencing a country in collapse. We're dealing with treat-addicted Weekend Warriors (albeit, ones who are still dangerous) who seem to be content to LARP just as the nation goes into a slow but steady decline.
Ultimately, it's the Bourgeoisie we should be afraid of, since under Biden they've begun to wise up and reinforce US hegemony (in the short term).
This is wishful thinking. The US directly or indirectly controls the vast majority of capital, production, and consumption around the world through its control over Germany, France, UK, Italy, Spain, Canada, Mexico, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc, etc. This type of analysis also leaves out the fact that growth in China assumes that the US market can absorb Chinese goods. An American collapse is a Chinese collapse. The Chinese know this, which is why they helped prop the system up after 2008. This doesn’t mean there won’t be conflict between the two but it also doesn’t mean that China is on the cusp of over taking the US.
Put another way, China will not achieve its self set goal of socialism without revolution in America.
Fuck, it was first-worldism the whole time. Let's sub revolution with collapse
I'm not talking about an immediate collapse, but you'll see certain capitalists sucking up to China more as they realize more money is available there.
I'm aware the US isn't just going to disappear. It'll be a slow dissolution, and the pieces of it that fall off will probably be known as eras of the country by historians versus anything immediately obvious to its citizens.
Sure yes individual capitalists will, just as some sucked up to the USSR. All that means is that the US state will intervene and prevent those capitalists from doing this in the same way it stops capitalists from doing any meaningful business in Iran even though it would be very lucrative. Perhaps capitalists hawking food products and furniture are safe but the heights of the tech, defence, and pharma sectors will not be
I just agree with this, it's a solid look at the way it'll go.
My talk of dissolution is just where I think it's heading long term, very long term. I'd love a quick balkanizing but that's just unlikely.
I'll make a prediction for 2024 of Elon Musk going on a huge pro-china spiel as he tries, and eventually fails, a last ditch effort to make Tesla relevant
I think saying this reaffirms his fabricated brand as an impartial billionaire philanthropist who only cares about people’s well being regardless of nationality rather than the reality which is his interests as an American capitalist. Or maybe he’s been a hardcore Maoist this whole time and the mask slipped for a second lol.
Ehh, he'll say whatever for attention. Rich people are narcissists
Yes, but this is going to be so much fun to bring up to libs.
If you were to press him on this, he'd probably say something along the lines of, "Everything good in China is because they've let in market economics, all the bad things are the CCP, and they are holding themselves back by limiting the free market's penetration into everything."
the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry
...So we still care about Gates buying a bunch of farmland in the US right
And fucking with the educational system, killing non-profit vaccines, trying to darken the atmosphere, etc.
Gates is probably the most destructive human alive right now.
Don't you know he only met with Epstein because he wanted his money for his totally legit charity? Because, y'know, famous billionaire Bill Gates didn't have enough money to foot the bill without the help of a known sex trafficker and pedophile.
Sometimes you have to
spend moneytime with a known sex trafficker and pedophile to earn money.This is why I'm broke.
I'm assuming it's the same deal as Zuckerberg's sucking up to China (posting reviews of TGOC and handing it out to his employees / offering Xi to name his child which ofc he refused to do) because he wanted Facebook to have full access to the data/advertising potential of the Chinese market (Facebook was essentially banned from China in 2009).
Impressive; China banned Facebook before anyone in the West was even ready to have the "is Facebook bad?" conversation.
offering Xi to name his child
I had to google this it was so fucking wild. At Obama's party no less. The photo of Zuck asking is absolutely deranged. Incredible restraint on Xi's part not to launch the nukes as soon as he got home.
