Not looking for death to America memes I’d like to know what you think of the ideology and how it has benefitted North Korea

  • Fakename_Bill [he/him]
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    Perhaps someone familiar with Juche ideology can explain this well - I've read that there's a tenet of Juche that states that the Kim family wielding power is essential to revolution. I know this isn't the same thing as a monarchy, but why (if at all) is it justified?

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      Wtf is wrong with this thread.

      Critical support isn't 'oh this CIA lie is totally based let me explain'. There is no tenet that the Kim family wielding power is essential to the revolution. The position each Kim held so far has been abolished and replaced by a more democratic institution. Kim Il Sung was the President, like in a bourgeois republic he was the head of legislature, government, party and military.

      After his death there's no president anymore, its role split between the Premier, Chairman of the Presidium, the Chairman of the National Defence Commission and General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea.

      Kim Jong Il was Chairman of the National Defence Commission and General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea, and now that position doesn't exist anymore, it's been replaced by a more horizontal structure in which nobody has full veto power.

      Kim Jong Un is the first secretary of the WPK *and Chairman of the National Defence Commission. Kim Jong Un is head of state, not head of government, he has no role at all in the legislature , and does not have veto power in the Party. His formal powers are, beyond being the leader of the party and a propaganda figurehead, of foreign relations and the military . All these positions are elected.

    • CorporalMinicrits [he/him]
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      I believe the idea of critical support comes into play. I think if you removed the idea of the Kim family constantly keeping power it would be more appealing. I honestly plan on migrating there in order to live in a proper communist society. Besides, the Kims are good leaders

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        I honestly plan on migrating there in order to live in a proper communist society.

        How old are you, if you don’t mind me asking. Feel free to ballpark it to avoid identifying info.

      • Fakename_Bill [he/him]
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        I don't need to be convinced on the idea of critical support, I'm just wondering what the justification for this is.

        • CorporalMinicrits [he/him]
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          There really isn’t any. But they’re the ideal worker state thougj

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              They’ve achieved communism. They’re self sustaining. The citizens are content. There isn’t any political divides in the country

              • Pol_Pan [he/him,they/them]
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                Lol just bc they’re not a capitalist hellscape like the US doesn’t mean they’ve achieved full communism.

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                  They’ve achieved a self sustaining agricultural base, a powerful industrial center, and a first rate defense military.

                  Have you read any North Korean newspapers recently? All I see are new buildings, fast economic response times, a fight against the pandemic, and a condemnation of Western Imperialism

                    • CorporalMinicrits [he/him]
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                      Because the country is centrally planned, there is no class, and there is social leftism

                      • kfc [any]
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                        what do you mean by social leftism? also doesn't the necessity of the kims leading the revolution sort of preclude the whole "no class" thing?

                        • CorporalMinicrits [he/him]
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                          I disagree with the kims thing but otherwise there is no class or hierarchy

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                            I really don't mean to be pedantic here but uh, no class does not mean some class. If Juche ideology requires a dynasty to lead revolution, it has inherent class and hierarchy required to enforce that class. I'm happy to hear disagreements or why I'm a fucking dumbass here, but I just don't see it

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                              Well, it’s problematic. I agree. But otherwise, there’s nothing really wrong with them being in power

  • krothotkin [he/him]
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    One problem I have with Juche is its heavy incorporation of and reliance on Confucianism, which I think is an ideology that creates unnecessary and harmful systems of social hierarchy.

    • Grace [she/her]
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      Dude I love the DPRK but you appear to be heavily uneducated. They're not communist, they have communist leaders yeah, but the state is still mainly agrarian socialism. Theyre not perfect, but they're doing pretty decent, especially if you watch the good documentaries.