No I don't know where this is from :cha
I watched a stand up special of his a while ago that I've been looking to find ever since. At one point he says that if you want to change things in the US you need to sneak into gated neighborhoods and slit everyone's throats. The audience didn't seem into it.
That's hilarious, I wish I'd been the one person in the audience dying of laughter while everyone else clutches their pearls.
I know Burr has some dicier jokes that not everyone here would like, but I think he's been genuinely pulled left on his outlook. His older stuff is sort of random rage (which I still find funny), but now he has a clearer target for the rage.
More realistically, though, things will only change (for better or for worse) if certain incidents happen at rich people schools. I’m not saying it’s a valid tactic anyone should pursue, but they don’t care so far because they’re far away from any of the violence.
I think you could boil this down to one simple principle: materially enforce consequences on the bourgeoisie.
The main thing I have always got so frustrated talking to fellow Americans all my life was this notion that you can talk to these people, reason with them, parley with them. :vote:
There must be material consequences for wealthy powerful people, and until there are nothing will change.
Many liberals care about things that we dont care about. Civility. decorum. the rule of law. (There is an argument to be made that those things can be valuable in a civil society... I dont consider life under neoliberal capitalism to be very civil)
Isnt the thing that many libs only pay lip service to progress ? Like they dont want to upset the status quo to much. They dont mind the billionaires to much they just wish there would be more poc billionaires. Simply put Liberals even many progressive liberals dont want the same things we want. (Which regardless of which corner of the left you sit in is "true change" and not just some minor reforms)
it's pretty incredible how he has channeled what is probably several generations of traumatized sons producing rage-aholic fathers, drunkenly yelling at their families into an entertainment product. even the way this little bit develops, you can legit hear the angry parent in there getting riled up by their own thoughts at the unfairness of life and losing control of themselves. like, when his voice hits that upper register, i can't help but laugh every time, especially as he has oriented his critiques to the assholes with power.
He's like absurdly misogynistic though. Has a few valid critiques about "white women", but it pretty much always goes to straight up misogyny. Just boomer "I hate my wife" stuff but even worse. Comparing abortions to making a cake is just one I can remember off of the top of my head.
Can't win em all. I rather have bill burr be a bit problematic and get some chuds thinking differently, than purity test him and get worse chuds.
I mean you could say the same thing about Dave Chappelle, but nobody on here does.
I don't think it's purity testing to say people shouldn't be very sexist. It's one thing to make "I hate my wife" humour, it's another to go as far as he does
I agree to an extent. I wouldn't consider Chappelle calling himself a terf in his special and actively bolstering anti-trans groups the same as Burr being misogynist. I think the former is a lot more dangerous.
Burr does have a lot of misogynist takes, but he'll also use that same energy to point out actual hypocrisy, like his bit on white women pushing their way into conversations, like they weren't cool with racism until it no longer benefited them. If one is to reach people on tough topics, there needs to be a certain amount of implied common ground to get people to lower their defenses.
Burr has the ability to reach chuds, I've seen it over and over, the difference between him and Chappelle though, is Burr will actually try to get a message across to them where as Chappelle has proven he doesn't give a shit about his perceived responsibility as an entertainer.
I've gotten through to a lot of chuds by simply not yelling at them, finding some common ground, then being like "c'mon man, you're not dumb, you can see through this bs". Its not 100% but damn it gets further than just yelling at them or dunking on them.
The right understands this in a critical-mass organizational method, its frustrating to watch the left pick at scabs and lose potential allies when there are way bigger fish. A community isn't made up of all saints, we welcome people with way worse takes.
Anyway, sorry for the rant.
I agree to an extent. I wouldn’t consider Chappelle calling himself a terf in his special and actively bolstering anti-trans groups the same as Burr being misogynist. I think the former is a lot more dangerous.
As if Burr is not very transphobic. He did a whole thing when Caitlyn Jenner came out, with all the typical transphobic jokes. And misogyny of course is very bad for trans women.
The right understands this in a critical-mass organizational method, its frustrating to watch the left pick at scabs and lose potential allies when there are way bigger fish
I don't think alienating 50% of the population is the way to go
I'm actually revisiting some burr now to actually backup/retract what I said.
Chapelle just complains now rather than say anything funny or meaningful. I mean bill burr does too in some of his specials, but he hasn’t reached the point where it’s just “IM BEING CANCELLED EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A TRILLION DOLLAR SPECIAL AIRING RIGHT NOW!!”
Red brown alliance thinking is fed by reactionary self-labeled socialists. It's good to poke and pipeline people, but we've gotta actually complete the pipeline, not leave them to be taken in by opportunists.
People who get left at that point will be the ones killing us in the street.
Needs a slur content warning. God I love Bill though he's a boomer and a dick at times but I still love him. One of the few mainstream openly socialist americans.
What is the appropriate term for people whose brains do not perform the function of empathy?
This is a serious question and point of interrogation. I know there are a lot of people with antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) who don't commit evil. Probably most of them don't. But they are overrepresented in positions of power and I do think that it is because of their particular brain configuration that they are. I'm not calling for ostracism for people with ASPD, but is it really beyond our norms to call out that kind of behavior with an identifier?
This is a hard problem we have to deal with. Yes people with ASPD can be good and virtuous. But so much of leftism relies on a foundation of considering what other people feel and acting to avoid their harm. This isn't an idle consideration. It is the fundamental source of leftism beyond a descriptive sense of people merely acting in their own self interest.
I don't know. But fuck, sister, I don't think it's wrong to highlight that the people oppressing us do not have an internal mechanism of imagining themselves as the oppressed.
As far as the broader implications of the term, I sort of agree. But it is clearly being applied in a specific context in this case.
I'm speaking as a person who has had what might be described as "psychotic breaks".
I don't know about "love him", I mean he still does stuff like this.
Yeah he's a fucking boomer like I said. Frankie Boyle is similarly has shit judgement at times, still love him too. Just keep them away from any new cultural issue because they're gonna react and that reaction is gonna be in piss poor judgement..
We aren't gonna fix boomer minds, they're shit and they're not going to be reset, we're gonna have to fix the next generations and wait for them. So I just kinda be like "yep boomer brain" for shit like this and aim for what's good about them knowing full well it's a waste of time trying to change that shit.
You could say the exact same thing for many other comedians though. That they're boomer brained on certain issues but still have insightful things to say on others, like Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, Ricky Gervais, etc. But I never see anyone doing that. It seems Burr is so charismatic that he could straight up shoot someone and lose zero fans lol.
I get what you're saying but it's not just about fandom for me it's about usefulness. I am much more willing to give people a pass on boomer brain when they're actually promoting the same economic goals.
And describing it as a pass is probably wrong too. It's not a pass. I don't give Frankie Boyle a pass for campaigning against Corbyn after he got wrapped up in believing the antisemitism and IRA shit. But I still like a bunch of what he does, and I still see him as quite useful.
