Nobody is willing to even entertain the idea that West isn't Best. Suggesting that whitey shouldn't rule the world is received as if you'd advocated cannibalism, and you will be condescended to and treated like an ignorant child even as they make it clear they know much less than you do about the subject at hand, if not outright ejected from the community. It's not just bots and manufacturing consent, either - it happens to me in real life just as easily as it happens online.

Anyone who isn't unconditionally anti-NATO and anti-American hegemony is a white supremacist. No exceptions.

Love this place, though. I think I'd go crazy if it wasn't for you guys. Glad I have somewhere to get this off my chest :soviet-heart:

  • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The Russia-Ukraine war has made it more difficult to talk about NATO for sure. I really have to be tactical about my criticisms and knowing when to deflect. Luckily the position of "making a peace deal is objectively the best thing for both sides" is now palatable to most libs, but it gets harder once you start saying that the US is prolonging the war and has no intention to slow it down.

    • iridaniotter [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It's like walking on eggshells. My family chewed my out for using the word denazification unrelated to the war. :jesus-christ:

      • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I'm sorry. In the future maybe remind them that the Soviets were hanging war criminals into the 50s, way past Nuremberg

      • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Russia's gonna collapse, just any minute.

        It's genuinely nuts how many :reddit-logo: commenters think that Ukraine is "KICKING RUSSIA'S ASS". Look at a map, it is very clearly a stalemate.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          If reports that Ukraine is throwing increasingly desperate infantry in to the RF's artillery it's only a stalemate in the sense that the armies aren't moving. Russia is destroying the enemy's capacity to make war, a more fundamental goal than sweeping strategic advances. Attrition is a nasty way to win, but the RF tried diplomacy, maneuver, and limited war, so...

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            The side that is conscription 16 year olds by grabbing them off the street is likely not the winning side.

            The EU Commission chief gave a speech a while back which mentioned that Ukraine had suffered 100k dead. That part of the speech was quickly cut, so it's probably something the EU/NATO doesn't want floating around out there. Usually you take many times more wounded as casualties than dead, so Ukraine is probably looking at something like 100k dead and 300 to 500k wounded. Even the optimistic (I.e. high) estimates of Russian casualties from the West come out to 200k dead AND wounded, so the attrition war is definitely going in the favor of Russia.

            Even if the EU commission number is wildly high, Russia has a much larger population to draw from than Ukraine, so even a 1-for-1 trade is a net loss for Ukraine.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Luckily the position of “making a peace deal is objectively the best thing for both sides” is now palatable to most libs

      Yeah, except their idea of "making peace" is Russia giving back Donetsk, Lukhansk, Crimea, and partitioning Moscow a la Berlin 1945. Libs are no more open to an actual negotiated resolution any more than they can imagine Harry Potter negotiating a peace accord with Voldemort.

      That's not even getting into the weeds of how a negotiated peace would even work since the Minsk Agreements were negotiated and agreed only to have Zelensky ignore them and Merkel come out and admit that they were a Molotov-Ribbontrop style bargain to buy time to arm Ukraine.