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The White House has told Congress it wants to send more than $1bn (£800m) in new weapons to Israel.
This comes despite the US being opposed to a full-scale invasion by the Israeli military on the southern Gaza city of Rafah.
It said last week it had paused a shipment of bombs to Israel over concerns civilians would be killed if used in densely populated areas.
The new package, confirmed by US media, must still be approved by lawmakers.
It would include $700m in tank ammunition, $500m in tactical vehicles and $60m in mortar rounds, according to the Associated Press news agency.
This is separate from a bill passed by Congress last month providing $95bn in aid to Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan.
On Tuesday, Israeli tanks advanced deeper into residential areas in the south-east of Rafah and are thought to be about a mile from the centre.
Meanwhile, medical services are dwindling. Aid agency Doctors Without Borders told the BBC they had stopped operating at one of the area's field hospitals because it was too dangerous to stay.
It is not known when Congress would consider the new arms deal but it it likely to spark objections from some members.
Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen was critical of the decision and told the Washington Post the US should not proceed with any additional arms transfers until the Netanyahu government had met President Biden's concerns about Rafah and the provision of humanitarian assistance.
A US state department report last week found that some American-made weapons provided to Israel may have been used in breach of international law.
While the report was a clear rebuke of some Israeli operations in Gaza, it stopped short of definitively saying that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) campaign had breached international law.
It added that assurances it had received from Israel about adhering to the legal use of US weapons were "credible and reliable".
The package being sent to Congress is the first since Mr Biden's administration paused arms transfers to Israel last week.
He said he had delayed the shipment of 2,000lb (900kg) bombs to Israel because of how they might be used in such a ground operation.
Asked by CNN about the delay, Mr Biden said: "Civilians have been killed in Gaza as a consequence of those bombs."
Weapons transfers to Israel have become a political liability for Mr Biden ahead of this November's 2024 White House election.
News of the latest arms package emerged soon after voting ended in a presidential primary election in Maryland, where activists had urged voters to register a protest ballot against what they see as Mr Biden's favouritism towards Israel over the Gaza war.
Republican lawmakers in Congress have introduced legislation intended to prevent any further pauses in weapons shipments to the US ally.
The House of Representatives this week will vote on a measure that requires the state department and defence department to ensure the "prompt delivery" of military equipment.
The White House has vowed to veto the bill, if it manages to pass the Senate, which is unlikely.
Israel launched a military campaign to destroy Hamas in response to the group's cross-border attack on southern Israel on 7 October, during which about 1,200 people were killed and 252 others were taken hostage.
More than 35,170 people have been killed in Gaza since then, including 82 in the past 24 hours, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.
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he's going to lose states we didn't even know existed
he's losing East Dakota
probably also Jefferson, Deseret, and the Polynesian Commonwealth
Polls still inconclusive in Old Hampshire, Utah, and Reverse Virginia.
Yooperland is surprisingly leftist (I actually don't know this for a fact)
They love weed though
yeah but trump would have sent a $1 billion weapons package but with a little bow on topthere's a berniecrat house dem in my district who is coming up for re-election. Reading their website it's like support for everything Bernie was going for in 2020 and more. Then I see they voted to give 20 billion dollars to israel and I'm like nah ain't voting for this dickhead
A candidate has to be a vocal anti-Zionist for me to even consider voting for them now. Zionists are feral and I don't trust such genocidal freaks with any amount of power.
Honestly, the bare minimum I’ll accept is “Stop giving money and weapons,” and I’ll only phone bank if they’re calling for bombing Tel Aviv
It's incredibly hard to avoid flailing into conspiracy theories (conspiracy theory 1: this is all by design to induce conspiratorial thinking...), but I have been struggling for months now to understand why the fuck people like you described, classic "progressive except for Palestine" types haven't just dumped Israel. This is the golden opportunity. Israel has permanently lost US public support, dwindling by the day as boomers die.
You can be the "cool guy, who understands the kids!" and press on straight Nazis like robo-legs, no-dick-McGee or even... I was gonna keep making references but I'll leave it at the movie "The Goonies" and a character in it that resembles a US senator.
Yes AIPAC would fuck your ass, but they're gonna do that anyway. AIPAC goes after all the progressives and not for Israel shit all the time. They're just pro-fascism. Which makes sense considering it's a fucking lobby for a fascist state. If you're a liberal and lean at all to the left, you should be running directly against everything AIPAC backs. Obviously that means against Israel, but also all the other right wing shit AIPAC has backed.
It's just purely illogical and the only non-conspiracy conclusion is that DC is in such a bubble that they... don't see, somehow?... the polling, they can't see the obvious direction things are headed and most importantly I suppose, these are dipshit liberals, like Bernie (sorry, I will always like Bernie but he's a dipshit liberal- just our best liberal), who lack any integrity, fortitude, or even ideology.
"I just want cushcush jobby until I'm also 80."
That's all it is. Which is simultaneously obvious to everyone but also easily forgotten, even by myself, because we assume people in these jobs are there for literally any of the reasons they claim... but they aren't. They want the cushy powerful job, nepo hookups for their family, and they don't give a single shit about anything else. Unfortunately for the entire rest of the world it blinds them all to the reality that they are shitting in their own lunchbox right now with Palestine. And they've already shat the lunchbox on many other issues in the last few years/decades that could've kept the ship they suck from floating... too stupid to grift basically.
The basic answer is because it's easy. You can either vote the same way everybody else does on a bill that will pass with overwhelming margins or you can lodge your insignificant protest vote and face weeks of media outrage that you're an antisemite, recall petitions if those exist, steamed hams showing up to your town hall events to yell at you, death threats, other congresspeople not wanting to sign on to your bills, whatever. The blowback from standing against the MIC is so high that you are turned into a pariah overnight.
Maybe the dam will break at some point and a bunch of these progressive types will break from israel all at once. Impossible to predict when that will be though.
Fetterman is my prime example of this. Like, dude, what the fuck is going on? You ran as a progressive and are now so loudly supporting this genocide that your constituents are almost universally appalled by. Supporting Israel is not a winning strategy for you dude! What’re we doing??
DC is in such a bubble that they... don't see, somehow?
I don't know how much this is the answer relative to other factors.
But I will say that DC is the only place I've ever been with an even bigger reality distortion field around it than the SF Bay area.
Exactly the same weird conversations between people trying to convince each other they're visionary tech luminaries who know what the next big thing is, yet can't immediately tell NFTs are a scam. But in DC they're trying to convince each other they know what the trends of world politics are.
There's no grand conspiracy like you said. But there is also no confusion, no bubble. They see things clearly, clearer than anyone outside DC, clearer than you and me.
No politician would survive attacking AIPAC because the other lobbies, who together control our politicians as surely as they control the rest of our lives will pull together to crush them.
A new D politician has a choice one they're in their seat. They can go against the DNC and the lobbyists whose money and support hey need to continue to keep it, facing attack ads, death threats, and a primary against their own party.
OR!
They just have to do what they're told by the lobbyists who got them power and they get a chance at the grift trough.
There is no third option. This is the state of our democracy
For those people it's a lot of the Lobby and being primaried and having a million dollars in PAC money spent advertising their Zionist opponent.
At the top level, ultimately Israel probably has the "family jewels" of US state criminality. A lot of shit got outsourced to Mossad.
If you promise me that mossad will leak all the compromising material they may or may not hold on every politician... well, time for me to triple down
Let a million "Trump piss video"-style take downs bloom!
(Except be real. And leak the fucking shit)
The Democratic Party would rather support a genocide than to defeat Trump in the next election.
But you don't understand, if we don't support genocide America might BECOME fascist.
Genocide to the left of me, genocide to the right, here I am
stuck in the middle with you~
I've seen them saying that trump would Gaza the US and the whole world will collapse blah blah blah. Basically, if it's happening to someone else, it's totally good and fine.
Hm. Do I vote for genocide guy or other genocide guy? What a democracy!
As an outsider it’s gotta be this genocide guy right? The other might give em nukes.
Israel already has nukes, thanks to both Republican and Democratic presidents.
Wikipedia says they’re widely believed to have them.
It’s confirmed, why would a minister suggest nuking the strip if they didn’t have any nukes to begin with. Read up on apartheid SAs connections with Israel
I’m not saying they don’t. I’m just saying what Wikipedia said, and actually the first list of pages I scrolled by.
Give me a source that says it’s confirmed if you have one, I’d be interested in reading more as some pages alluded to a secret nuclear program.
Thanks.
God damn. How come when China, North Korea, and Russia do shit like this is heinous; but when it’s Israel it’s all good.
Because your primary media intake comes from nations which oppose the PRC, DPRK, and Russia. It’s not a consistent stance against nukes, it’s a consistent stance against the enemies of the west
I'm glad I resisted my urge to be a total asshole to you since your comments further along in the thread show a willingness to engage in good faith. I hope you can understand how neither Biden nor Trump are acceptable to many of us here in the US, particularly those of us who are Communists, Socialists, Anarchists, etc.
I guess that just shows we shouldn’t be so quick to make judgements.
I can see that but I kinda feel like y’all gotta vote for Biden right? He’s the lesser evil of the two. It’s shit you’ve only got those choices, but we have the same in the UK. Tories or Labour they’ll still not help Palestine.
He would be worse for Palestine as he’s unstable.
He would be worse for protesters, as he was during the BLM protests.
He instigated an insurrection and refused to accept the results last time.
He’s a man child.
He would be worse for Palestine as he’s unstable.
Fundamentally nonsensical cope.
He would be worse for protesters, as he was during the BLM protests.
Is Biden not personally allowing the brutalization of student protestors and professors who oppose his genocide? Weren't BLM protestors also beat up by cops under Biden?
He instigated an insurrection and refused to accept the results last time.
Who cares? It never had a chance at succeeding and the results of every US election are near-meaningless.
He’s a man child.
Unlike the adults in the room who build the border wall and immigrant concentration camps with maturity and tact. Trump would not be able to keep Biden's calm demeanor when enforcing murderous sanctions across the world and throwing Ukrainians into the meat grinder for the MIC and protection of the Nazi terror state as a bulwark against Russia as well as enforcement of US imperialism across the globe.
Trump would probably say something mean about Chinese people while signing tariffs on the PRC to set back green energy transition through negative protectionism.
You’re entitled to your opinion and I respect that.
You’re entitled to your opinion and I respect that.
Opinions aren’t equivalent to the presentation of facts. Do you dispute the presentation of facts above?
I dispute your premise. Even just on attempting an insurrection is fine because he failed us ludicrous.
Ever heard of attempted murder, people still go to jail for that.
If Trump's attempted insurrection really was a big deal, the American ruling interests would have had him shot within the week. The American government has certainly killed people for far less
Trump is a useful idiot to distract people from the things they should really be mad about
The other hypothesis is that the ruling class is okay with a soft coup as long as their interests aren't threatened...which they would be. Only thing that would change is turbo libs dial up to 11 and a 10% increase in pogroms in the imperial core.
Joe Biden and Donald Trump are functionally the same: senile, genocidal capitalists who should have died a long time ago.
I've voted for the "lesser" evil my whole adult life until 2020. I'm done voting for evil -- period, full stop.
And if anyone were ever to ask directly they'd suddenly come down with Boeing fever.
I don't see how it's in Israel's best interest to nuke the land they are trying to take over. Also, it's right in their back yard. Nukes aren't something that only kill the "right" people. They leave entire populations, including people not even born yet with birth defects, and so on.
My polling numbers are down, what should I do?
Mr. President have you tried doing even more genocide?
Brilliant yes, surely that's the solution.
But his aides leaked a press report saying he’s deeply concerned about it and might do something about Netanyahu any minute now
Biden is going to give Israel a billion dollars in weapons, but he's not happy about it!
He wrote 'To Asshole' on the card so he'll be pulling support any day now
The wrong head of state was shot. Why do we never get assassination attempts on the decrepit fucks who actually deserve it?
the assassination of william mckinley lead to the creation of the FBI, and liberals are liberals, otherwise bush and cheney would've eaten it.
Because the american left is conquered by idealism, violent resistance is a no-no.
Hey look we were allbright when we said the ceasefire bullshit was exactly that.
I'm sure that'll make liberals acknowledge we actually have a better grip on the situation than them.
Naw, they skipped right over the argument phase and are right back into "kill every last Palestinian"
"MSNBC ran a news segment about some Israeli family that got killed and that's why I am for turning Gaza into a crater"
Biden and the Dems could probably do a cynical if they wanted better optics, like just sending money (for aid ostensibly) to israel and letting them "misappropriate" the funds to buy weapons. Then he could even have free market types on his side, or at least a soupçon of non-culpability. Maybe that's a literally a dumb idea but you get what I'm saying? They're not even trying to lie to us anymore.
it's easier to just not i guess. They feel quite comfortable in their position apparently, and openly send weapons, openly crush dissent. I kinda miss the mask now that they aren't wearing it no more. It makes me scared, cuz it makes me think things are really gonna speed up now, no more ratcheting, we're free falling into fascisms empty maw
"Vote for me to keep killing people Jack, or Trump will win and he'll kill more people than I will"
Damn he really is cracking down, only gave them 1 billion
Wait til 2027 when he'll have trickled that down to 500 million (in addition to the normal aid we give Israel)
Didn't they just fucking give them like 70 billion, what the fuck
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