The researchers also asked the participants to rate how often they noticed ten different problems in the online forums. Visitors to NoFap forums reported seeing content that was often trolling (88%), misogynistic (73.7%), bullying (49.1%), anti-LGBT (42.9%), or anti-Semitic (32.0%). Additionally, a significant number of participants reported being told to harm or kill themselves (23.5%), witnessing threats to hurt others (21.1%), and witnessing doxing of others (17.1%) on the forums.
Do the volcel police, and us by proxy, count as "anti-masturbation groups"?
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I ask in jest, I know their role is to keep uncomfortable hornyposting down
:volcel-judge: Volcel police says do not cum:volcel-kamala: not do not fap. That's the key difference.
We must retain our vital essences :strangelove-wow: for the war against communism!
I know you joke, but whenever masturbation comes in a serious way people are usually pretty positive about it from a health and wellness perspective.
No, see, because celibacy is about doing sex with other people. Masturbation and activities involving neural clones, alternate reality versions of yourself, and any hijinks resulting from time travel are generally :halal: with some exceptions.
Yeah but as you can see from the comments here we already have this culture here even as a joke, imo we just have to make sure people don't take volcel it as unironically good and end up on the other side.
I've always taken the volcel stuff here to be more about not letting the forum attract creepers. On reddit any time there's a girl in a pic 80% of the comment section will just be :awooga: shit, which is alienating as fuck.
I’ve always taken the volcel stuff here to be more about not letting the forum attract creepers.
Ideally, it works as that, and by extension as a protection for our ace and sex-repulsed comrades. It's important to foster a site culture where :awooga: is not accepted. But i don't know if everybody is aware of that intention, i've had people LARPing as volcel police when i was simply discussing my sexuality in a decidedly non-horny manner (i was actually talking about how not horny i am, how i fit into the alloace spectrum and how i felt various kinds of non-sexual attraction to people), and i don't think i should be subjected to something like that in a militantly LGBT-inclusive space.
Not to mention that for a lot of people, the volcel bit quickly verges into chastity play and like all forms of BDSM, that doesn't work spontaneously with complete strangers. You can't do kink without establishing consent and rules and boundaries in advance. I'm not saying that to kinkshame, i've had lots of fun with chastity play myself in the past, i'm just saying that it's not something i want to engage in with randos on a leftist shitposting forum. It's as transgressive as sexualizing it when i talk about my tits merely as a gender-affirming part of my transition process, something a lot of people struggle to understand as well.
So yes, the volcel bit is a safegurad against the sexualizing horny culture that's all over the rest of the internet and it's a good thing we're making this effort, but there's both cases were people take it too far, cases where it achieves the opposite and cases were people suddenly forget about it.
i found out about the volcel police just by encountering the memes here and it was immediately obvious that it's there to prevent this place becoming yet another porn aggregator and all around misogynistic shithole.
i love it.
i havent seen any ... ahem... perversion of the meme so far.
like i said, i'm speaking from personal experience on all of these points. That's rare, we're generally on a good track, but some people don't fully get what the volcel bit is about.
Please refrain from watching the watchmen themselves with a prurient interest. :volcel-police:
It originally started as a multi-thread rift on mysogynistic hornyposting, tired memes about communist secret police, and the late/post gwot trend of adopting some Arabic phrases as a way to ironically demonstrate rejection of the islamaphobic majority. The big haram greentext was an important part of it back on reddit, and the actual volcel police jokes were reasonably explicit with things like "please keep your bodily fluids to yourself".
It's meaning and purpose has changed here to largely being a mechanism for shutting down casual hornyposting to protect the site's culture of being welcoming to people who either aren't interested in or do not want to be around discussions of sex, but at least in my experience it remains playful and silly, with lots of variation and innovation and a long standing gag of trying to thwart or escape the volcel cops.
Related, it's wild that the original volcel oath gag is like, what, seven years old now?
On reddit any time there’s a girl in a pic 80% of the comment section will just be :awooga: shit
This site is no different, it's just all blush emojis and submissive "jokes" instead.
ymmv i suppose but i find that infinitely preferable
the tone is so different; it doesn't feel like it comes from a place of misogyny
I find it worse because it's done under the pretense it's somehow woke if you have a slight kink. At least :awooga: guys aren't pretending it's anything else.
i can understand that i suppose. like i said it's very subjective, it just so happens that i find it less repulsive (maybe the focus on "what i'd like to do to her" vs "what i'd like her to do to me"? idk)
Yeah. Hexbear can be horny but site culture limits it to either a few in jokes and emojis, or frank discussions of sexuality. And the volcel police meme means honryposting typically gets derailed after a few :hyperflush: or :soviet-bottom: emojis are posted.
Like we literally have more than one emoji about bottoms. We don't talk about sex much but it's not completely verbotten.
:this: and it's greatly appreciated that it doesn't usually happen here
Do we need to go over the problems that arise from putting memes in front of discourse?
How insulated a community has to be in order for someone to end up thinking "I don't really know if X is good or bad and I'm too afraid to ask."
Of course we have many, maybe most people here with a strong consciousness and good rhetorical foundation, but I shouldn't have to mention the dozen of struggle sessions over the years over so much stuff.
In hindsight one can always say "but I always thought X was [the correct take here]" but doing it in real time is not as straight forward as it seems.
In the end we realy do need a "Beginners guide to Hexbear" somewhere just to be safe.
Having a guide to site culture and the history of the more popular jokes and memes is rarely a bad idea. Reddit had a couple of subs dedicated to maintaining the history of reddit. Idk if they still exist.
Getting into volcel but only as a facet of my femdom fetish.
It's like the weird monk cults from back in the day sans the god part and more fascism.
There sure was a lot of gay sex back in the day. Some monasteries/convents were basically gay lifestyle resorts.
Me, a noble lord: :gigachad:
My large adult failson and his very close monk friend who he shares a room with and goes to prayers with and sometimes disappears behind the stables with: :large-adult-son: :large-adult-son:
hexbear makes people misogynistic, anti-LGBT, anti-semitic, depressed, anxious, and suicidal
we must abolish the volcel police
Not true, it's voluntary.
Need I remind you that you are a repeat offender? :volcel-judge:
Trolling ✅
Misogyny ❌
Bullying ❌*
Homophobia ❌
Anti-semitism ❌
Encouraging suicide of members ❌
Threatening violence ✅
Doxing members ❌
* not including public shaming
None of your concern, citizen. Stay chaste out there. :volcel-judge:
In this case, something like: "masturbation is fine, almost everyone does it, it's also fine if you don't do it because everyone has a different libido, just don't try to force yourself or others into a specific box."
Attempts to research what happens when men don't masturbate are essentially impossible because researchers are never able to find a significant number of men who don't masturbate.
I mean, of course? People who are depressed, anxious, or suicidal are more likely to get sucked into pseudoscientific cure-all cults than people who are healthy and without major problems in life. Telling someone "you'll stop being so depressed/anxious/suicidal if you just stop jacking off" isn't that compelling if they're not depressed/anxious/suicidal.
I think it’s funny how like 95% of anti fap members somehow conflated porn addiction with masturbating and then somehow conflated that with all sex and become distressed when a girl shows any sort of interest
I am convinced, based upon both cultural observations and the research I've read, that porn addiction isn't real or is very uncommon and most of these people are so traumatized by their Christian Fascist upbringing that they have a pathological terror of their own more or less normal sexuality and sexual function. They're so warped by purity culture and christianity that they've convinced themselves en masse that normal biological functions and behaviors are evidence of something seriously wrong and then come up with some impressively maladaptive behaviors to cope.
Among other evidence is American's centuries long obsessive campaign to stop men from masturbating. If you know about the many, many bizarre psuedoscientific efforts to stop men from masturbating in the history of us christianity the whole nofap/porn addiction industrial complex looks like a natural outgrowth of that trend once it hit the internet's potential for generating insular cults and mass delusion.
Being online linked to higher rates of depression, anxiety, and suicidal feelings
yeah, this is the habit I have to break. The problem is that there's so much time and I'm too poor and mentally ill to fill it up with activities outside the house while I'm stranded in this stupid town without a car.
Same. I've gotten into drawing though, it's something to do that isn't starring catatonic at YouTube videos like I been doing.
Same. Most of the time I really just want to talk to people about things that interest me but being isolated, mentally ill, and mostly stuck at home makes that largely impossible. Social media sites give me at least some of the experience of having a community and people to talk to when that's not otherwise available.
Trying to stop a natural body function like it's your sacred duty leads to other problematic views? Wow, I can't believe that!
Imagine thinking god hates you bc you had a wet dream bc checks notes your reproductive system is functioning normally.
did they control for greater engagement with other online groups? bc being too online, regardless of what types of forums you're on, is gonna cause depression, anxiety and suicidal feelings
Death to America
