I mean, imagine getting all the benefits of NATO without membership and then signing up to be Scandinavia's Greece. Excited to see future Finnish politicians whining about how they have to bust unions and degrade living conditions while vastly inflating their police and military budgets in order to comply with the NATO charter.
I'm gonna make people on here mad, but Russia made a huge mistake with going into Ukraine (I know the strategic needs). Basically gave NATO a new lease on life, emboldened the most psycho anti Russia people, etc. Probably should gave just gone into the Donbas. Would have caused people to freak, but probably would have died down like in 2014.
They could have just gone into Donbass, not all of Ukraine. Sure the manufacturing consent machine would act more or less the same but I think it wouldn't have had the same effect. They tried to take Kiev the very first day.
I was like 95% certain this would have happened after Ukraine ramped up the ceasefire violations, wasn't expecting a full on invasion.
I agree that Russia was way too eager going into this and I'm pretty sure it's been dragging on for a lot longer than they were expecting despite their pokerfaces about how they never said it was supposed to be a short war. Personally I think them attempting to encircle Kiev right away wasn't a feint as they stated later but a genuine attempt they fucked up. If they had succeeded it would have probably ended the thing way sooner.
I think both sides are gonna want out of this shitshow at some point soon unless somebody significantly shifts the tide in one direction.
To be fair, even the CIA thought Ukraine would collapse in weeks. Goes to show how Ukraine improved fighting wise in the years between Crimea and the invasion.
whining about how they have to bust unions and degrade living conditions while vastly inflating their police and military budgets in order to comply with the NATO charter.
major L in a long line of Ls for the (formerly fascist) state. ya hate to see it folks
I mean, imagine getting all the benefits of NATO without membership and then signing up to be Scandinavia's Greece. Excited to see future Finnish politicians whining about how they have to bust unions and degrade living conditions while vastly inflating their police and military budgets in order to comply with the NATO charter.
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Eastern Europe's hatred of Russia is wild.
Talking to my relatives, many have been terrified that Putin was going to initiate Winter War 2 any second now since last Spring
I saw the massive swing in polling after the invasion.
Naturally- if there was one thing that was going to make Finland and Sweden rush to join NATO it was Russia invading a neighbouring country
Thanks Putin
I'm gonna make people on here mad, but Russia made a huge mistake with going into Ukraine (I know the strategic needs). Basically gave NATO a new lease on life, emboldened the most psycho anti Russia people, etc. Probably should gave just gone into the Donbas. Would have caused people to freak, but probably would have died down like in 2014.
100,000%. That’s part of why I didn’t think he would do it, because it’s so insanely counterproductive to his stated goals.
“I’m afraid of NATO so I’m going to give them proof that actually their fears and reasons for existing were valid all along”
War bad folks, don't do it, you'll just fuck it up
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Unless it's class war
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Russia and the CIA also thought Ukraine would collapse in weeks. This whole war is a series of people being wrong.
I do understand why they went in, but man any path with this sucks.
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They could have just gone into Donbass, not all of Ukraine. Sure the manufacturing consent machine would act more or less the same but I think it wouldn't have had the same effect. They tried to take Kiev the very first day.
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I was like 95% certain this would have happened after Ukraine ramped up the ceasefire violations, wasn't expecting a full on invasion.
I agree that Russia was way too eager going into this and I'm pretty sure it's been dragging on for a lot longer than they were expecting despite their pokerfaces about how they never said it was supposed to be a short war. Personally I think them attempting to encircle Kiev right away wasn't a feint as they stated later but a genuine attempt they fucked up. If they had succeeded it would have probably ended the thing way sooner.
I think both sides are gonna want out of this shitshow at some point soon unless somebody significantly shifts the tide in one direction.
That doesn't enrage anyone here, it's simply the truth.
Maybe I'm just thinking of the dispatch people
"Don't worry about it, we'll be having Chicken Kyiv in Kiev in like two weeks tops" :putin-wink:
Seems like every time people start a war they vastly overestimate how quick and easy it's going to be
To be fair, even the CIA thought Ukraine would collapse in weeks. Goes to show how Ukraine improved fighting wise in the years between Crimea and the invasion.
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This is already being done btw
well except the whining part.