:my-hero: is being simulated at full resolution and doing all the interesting stuff! :soypoint-2:

Someone in the comments quoted Robin Hanson from all the way back in 2001:

If all simulations are not complete simulations of human history, however, there are many more implications. For example, far from the simulated people of interest, the behavior of many people might be randomly generated based on statistics from previous simulations, or come from "cached" records of previous simulated people. Some "people" in a crowd simulation might even be run by very simple programs that have them wiggle and mumble "peas and carrots" like extras supposedly did once in movie crowd scenes. Assuming you don't care as much about these fake simulated people, then all else equal you shouldn't care as much about how your actions affect the rest of the world. Also, if not all simulations last through all of human history, then the chance that your world will end soon is higher than if you were not living in a simulation. So all else equal you should care less about the future and live more for today. If our descendants tend to be more interested in simulating "pivotal" people and events from their history, then you should raise your estimate of the chances that the events and people around you will be considered pivotal to your descendants. If our descendants sometimes play parts in their simulations, if they are more likely to play more famous people, and if they tend to end simulations when they are not enjoying themselves, then you should take care to keep famous people happy, or at least interested. And if they are more likely to keep in their simulation the people they find more interesting, then you should try to stay personally interesting to the famous people around you. In sum, if you might be living in a simulation then all else equal you should care less about others, live more for today, make your world look likely to become eventually rich, expect to and try to participate in pivotal events, be entertaining and praiseworthy, and keep the famous people around you happy and interested in you.

and keep the famous people around you happy and interested in you.

:bootlicker: :farquaad-point:

Bostrom also discussed this sort of idea briefly in his original 2003 paper (p. 12-13), although he seemed to imply he thought it was more likely we'd be in a full ancestor simulation where every individual's brain was simulated in full detail rather than some people being simplified "NPCs": In addition to ancestor‐simulations, one may also consider the possibility of more selective simulations that include only a small group of humans or a single individual. The rest of humanity would then be zombies or “shadow‐ people” – humans simulated only at a level sufficient for the fully simulated people not to notice anything suspicious. It is not clear how much cheaper shadow‐people would be to simulate than real people. It is not even obvious that it is possible for an entity to behave indistinguishably from a real human and yet lack conscious experience. Even if there are such selective simulations, you should not think that you are in one of them unless you think they are much more numerous than complete simulations. There would have to be about 100 billion times as many “me‐simulations” (simulations of the life of only a single mind) as there are ancestor‐simulations in order for most simulated persons to be in me‐simulations.

TL;DR GET SCHWIFTY, MORTYYYYYYYY burp :so-true:

  • keatsta [she/her]
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    It's genuinely baffling to me that these people who are outright obsessed with simulation theory just straight-up have no idea what it's suggesting or how it would work.

    If we're being simulated, it's a simulation that's running on a subatomic granularity with a strict material causality all the way up to the macro world. To dispute this fact is to go against all of modern scientific consensus, the very idea of science itself.

    There is no "game level" that is running "on top of this" where some people are magically "more conscious" than "NPCs". It is not just a nonsensical statement, it has so little to do with simulation theory that you might as well be saying "the theory of universal gravitation proves love is real".

    Rationalists love nothing more than not understanding something and running with it to the most offensive dehumanizing bootlicking ends.

    • CriticalOtaku [he/him]
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      If we’re being simulated, it’s a simulation that’s running on a subatomic granularity with a strict material causality all the way up to the macro world. To dispute this fact is to go against all of modern scientific consensus, the very idea of science itself.

      Exactly! The inevitable conclusion of anyone with enough critical thinking and scientific rigour is that "If this is a simulation, it's operating on a level so advanced that it's functionally no different from reality, so for all intents and purposes I might as well treat it as such." Pascal's Wager, but for right now rather than some distant afterlife.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        “If this is a simulation, it’s operating on a level so advanced that it’s functionally no different from reality, so for all intents and purposes I might as well treat it as such.”

        The reason so many :porky-happy: and techbro minions of :porky-happy: like to believe they're in a simulation is because it provides a convenient justification for cruelty and murder of "NPCs." :scared-fash:

    • keepcarrot [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      There is no “game level” that is running “on top of this” where some people are magically “more conscious” than “NPCs”.

      This has historically been a fairly common elitist narrative throughout history; the lesser people have simpler inner lives and less complex thoughts

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        This has historically been a fairly common elitist narrative throughout history; the lesser people have simpler inner lives and less complex thoughts

        Big Yud claimed, in one of his :bootlicker: puff pieces about the billionaires financing his cult, that those aforementioned billionaires had "a brighter spark." :cringe:

  • iridaniotter [she/her, they/them]
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    1 year ago

    Where's that post from here that was about how people invented the wheel and saw the world as a wheel, invented gears and saw the world mechanically, etc.

    This is what happens when you play too many video games. The world becomes a video game to you. Xi, restrict gaming hours when ready. :gamer-gulag: :xi-gun:

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      :reddit-logo: has had years and years of "dae life is like a video game" cringe posting, too. This is just a "therefore death camps are okay" application of it. :scared-fash:

    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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      It's one of the reasons they aren't able to tell the difference between internet scraping machine learning algorithms and actual intelligence.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        They really, really want a le sexy chatbot waifu to be convincingly real. It would make the slavery that much more exciting. :kombucha-disgust:

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      It's a lazy speedrun rediscovery of thousands of years of religious ideas, except clumsier and without any of the accumulated wisdom that might have been there. :galaxy-brain:

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Importantly, they get to pretend to be smarter than religious people while stumbling ass backwards into theology

  • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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    In sum, if you might be living in a simulation then all else equal you should care less about others, live more for today, make your world look likely to become eventually rich, expect to and try to participate in pivotal events, be entertaining and praiseworthy, and keep the famous people around you happy and interested in you.

    This is literally indistinguishable from the ramblings of your average Christian conservative, except with even less substance because at least Christians have the fucking bible. These tech bros make up some weird sci-fi nonsense and then spin that into "yeah this means the status quo is great and me not giving a shit about other humans is perfectly justified".

    They're blatantly using this crackpot "theory" to justify their pre-existing beliefs, which is celebrity worship and apathy towards those around you, and of course the classic right-wing hierarchies. I'm superior because the big man in the sky programmed me to be a "real" mind, while the others are just NPCs who have lesser minds, that's just how the world is.

    These world would be a better place without these spineless, pathetic losers.

  • Omegamint [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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    1 year ago

    Here's to hoping all those communist npcs wheel these important simulated folks to the simulated central park where we simulate cutting their fucking simulated heads off.

    In Minecraft?

  • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    If we're in a simulation, I'm personally lining up the rich and famous PCs to a gallows and defeating then Reboot style.

  • BabaIsPissed [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Grift idea: Dating app for the rationalist community. Guaranteed to filter out NPCs and leave you only with the smartest chatbots that agree with everything you say babes.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      How generous to assume that Logical Rational Gentlesirs Of Rationality would assume any feeemale is capable of being anything but another NPC. :so-true:

  • aFairlyLargeCat [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    With this character's death, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the awesome world you have created.

    :the-doohickey:

  • WeedReference420 [he/him, they/them]
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    Wow, this is powerfully unhinged, are they gonna straight up make a psuedo-religion out of this as reality comes crashing down around them?

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      are they gonna straight up make a psuedo-religion out of this as reality comes crashing down around them?

      They've been doing that for decades. :astronaut-2: :astronaut-1: