Nawaf Salam, the head of the International Court of Justice: “Israel must immediately hold its military offensive of any other action in the Rafah governorate which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza, conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”

  • RedWizard [he/him]
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    24 days ago

    Without these orders being backed by some form of material threat, they're the equivalent of finger wagging. It's good for documentation and building a paper trail for the inevitable trials that will result, but you just wish there was a way for these orders to have some weight behind them.

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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      35
      24 days ago

      The main use for these decisions right now is to hold libs' feet to the fire. Oh, you're Mr. Rules Based International Order? You think we're the good guys? You think this is a complicated, messy situation but whaddayagonna do? Here's an objective, prestigious international observer saying it's genocide.

      Short of anything really cool happening, this is going to end the way apartheid South Africa ended: gradual economic and political isolation plus on-the-ground resistance resulting in some version of the Israeli government deciding the current course is untenable.

      • ashinadash [she/her, comrade/them]
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        24 days ago

        Will the US let the Isntreali government decide that though? The whitehouse seems to be extremely vociferous in its backing of israel, way more than apartheid South Africa.

        • Dolores [love/loves]
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          24 days ago

          the US' current blank cheque support can't rescue the zionist project, what further escalation is left?

            • Dolores [love/loves]
              hexbear
              7
              24 days ago

              the IOF can't coordinate not shooting their own guys, the US isn't going to put their troops in that line of fire, and if they did they'd be pretty useless

                • Dolores [love/loves]
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                  9
                  24 days ago

                  cant invent things twice. Syria and Iraq are examples of what a US effort 'from scratch' looks like, and US power has only declined since

          • Pentacat [he/him]
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            24 days ago

            Putting pro-Palestine young people in the US into work camps to revitalize our “defense” industry? Seizing those same people’s assets (and their parents’ assets) to recruit fresh settlers with extra financial rewards?

            These steps aren’t materially more helpful than today’s blank check but they would send a powerful message of unwavering commitment to the Zionist colony.

            • Dolores [love/loves]
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              5
              24 days ago

              i think you'd need to send prisoners as the colonists Australia-style. Israel is bleeding settlers and i don't think they'll be more disposed as Israel becomes even more of a pariah and its conditions decline.

    • Beaver [he/him]
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      31
      24 days ago

      In the early Obama era, the lib argument for how this is "supposed" to work is that the UN would identify nation-state level crimes about to happen (or in-progress), and then send a coalition national militaries over there to solve the problem. They based this on such positive examples as UN and NATO interventions in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      25
      24 days ago

      for the inevitable trials that will result

      The UN will want another International Tribunal for this but the mechanism to call one is performed via a security council vote. What they have to do first is make it so politically costly that the US won't veto it.

      An International Tribunal called by the security council has binding powers above that of the Security Council itself. Effectively once called an international tribunal can ultimately bind the security council to act on its decisions.

    • CarbonScored [any]
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      24 days ago

      I honestly don't know enough about the level of standard of the ICJ's other findings. Do we really want them to have a global cop force to back up their threats?

      • 7bicycles [he/him]
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        24 days ago

        I mean fuck it, why not. Any court on the level of a constitutional court or the ICJ with no standing army is always going to be finger wagging

        There's a debate to be had about the existence of these types of courts in the first place but if you actually believed in them you'd be pro them having a standing army

  • CommunistBear [he/him]
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    24 days ago

    conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.

    Is this not a roundabout way of calling it genocide?

  • Zrc [she/her]
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    24 days ago

    go ahead westoids, call the ICJ antisemitic, say they're Hamas what-the-hell

    • 7bicycles [he/him]
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      24 days ago

      God I've been meaning to post about this:

      In a now deleted tweet the "Jüdische Rundschau", which prides itself as being the only independent jewish newspaper in germany, accused the ICJ of being a soros founded plot against israel, citing an author from the Kopp Verlag, a right wing conspiracy publisher

      The mission statement of the paper is "to counter an often distorted and incomplete media picture of Israel"

      It's also not the only jewish newspaper in germany, because there's the Jüdische Allgemeine, which is published by The Central Committe of Jews in Germany and is more liberal lol

  • Zodiark [he/him]
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    24 days ago

    Israel responded to this by immediately bombing Rafah.

  • @porcupine@lemmygrad.ml
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    12
    24 days ago

    It's wild to me that people seem to believe that any UN body is more likely to materially intervene against the empire rather than the UN just dissolving like the league of nations to be replaced with a more explicitly international-community-1international-community-2 org representing the Rules Based International Order.

    Three fifths of the permanent UN security council members are committed to destroying and (re)colonizing the other two fifths, and have no reservations about doing a nuclear first strike to make that happen.

  • Mickmacduffin [he/him]
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    11
    24 days ago

    How come none of the rest of us thought to order Israel to halt? We could've ended this months ago