I don't mean Data, Lore, or other android variants. That's a separate problem.

I'm talking about the (yes, there's some irony to this I know I know) eugenics fixation with having Dr. Soongs in almost every post-TNG show, all of course looking eerily alike no matter what generation they're from, and how they're all geniuses and none of them are failsons riding the glory and riches of their predecessors.

I know Trek has :LIB: coding to its core, but come on. :data-laughing:

  • innocentlurker [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    It takes all my energy just to ignore them all. However, I watched the YT clip of Data defeating Lore in their shared mental landscape a 100 times already, just a great clip.

    • Azarova [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      Say what you will about Enterprise, but we were robbed of Shran joining the crew for potentially a couple of seasons and I will never let go of that

      • kristina [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        shran is my favorite blue himbo. in a just world we would have gotten a season long bromance where shran and his ship just followed the enterprise around like puppies and helped them out

  • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    Soong is a narcissistic freak for real, he keeps remaking himself. Plus, all the Soongs are supposed to be obsessive loners who presumably wouldn't have time or inclination for romance or procreation beyond literally cloning himself. I think they've all been clones - plus it gives Brent Spiner a chance to play multiple characters lol.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      The Soong in Season 2 of Picard had a daughter that he certainly had some narcissistic pathology about but she wasn't a clone.

      I think the headcanon may check out but the show doesn't directly support it.

      The implication of "narcissists may be toxic to society but they also might be eccentric geniuses with totally unique one of a kind contributions to science that can't otherwise be attained" is a :brainworms: that needs to die.

  • Antoine_St_Hexubeary [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    IMO Brent Spiner is an exceptionally talented television actor, and using him a lot probably seemed like a good idea on paper.

    Which, I guess, represents a whole second layer of Great Man Theory brainworms.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      If he played different characters the way Combs did I wouldn't mind.

      It's always Great Man Theory narcissistic mad scientist and his androids/clones/whatever.

  • keatsta [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    Oh I thought you were going in a different meta level to this... I thought you were complaining that Trek went from a franchise where they would swap out the entire cast because the strength of the show was in its ideas, to a zombie franchise where they just endlessly dredge up the same characters and actors over and over and over again, as if it was those specific Great Men that made the earlier stuff so good.

    It feels silly to complain about this since it's been like this since the JJ Abrams 2009 film and debatably even earlier, and they do still make some series with new crews, but it really bugs me. Picard was an excellent character but I'm not excited to just see Picard again, or any number of those actors/characters. What I want is more episodes written like TNG was written, and the very idea of regurgitating Picard back up when his story already ended so nicely is something the TNG writers wouldn't do.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I thought you were complaining that Trek went from a franchise where they would swap out the entire cast because the strength of the show was in its ideas, to a zombie franchise where they just endlessly dredge up the same characters and actors over and over and over again.

      I'd prefer that but that ship has sailed. :sadness:

  • Crowtee_Robot [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Adam Soong was an expert in genetics after all; got that Soong vital essence on lockdown. :data-revolutionary:

  • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    I can't believe how formulaic this latest series finale is. They've done it again. Borg and a giant alert of federation ships. Every fucking time