Manslaughter charges against Alec Baldwin dropped.
Feel like you should mention that
The special prosecutors announced that the same involuntary manslaughter charges against Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the film's armorer, remain unchanged.
Important to note that the armorer was a scab hired by Baldwin’s production company and that the film itself had working condition problems before the incident took place.
Just googled it - Rust is produced by El Dorado Pictures, the production company Baldwin owns. You might be thinking of the union workers on the production who had walked off the job the week before specifically calling out unsafe practices among other things?
I mean... maybe he was legit frustrated with the management he'd assembled.
Or maybe this is just Baldwin's "damn kids today! nobody wants to work anymore!"
in a just world, the production companies themselves would be held criminally liable
Yes, which is why it's inane they tried to charge him for the personal aspect of the shooting for clout rather than for being a producer, which they could maybe get him on.
Well... civilly liable. But also, maybe we stop issuing you licenses for things more dangerous than playdough and safety scissors.
I mean depending on how it went down, I'd say justice would involve criminal liability if the production company was found to be cutting corners to save money. Someone made that decision, and someone died because of it, arguably.
Definitely arguable. Annoying that DAs are too cowardly to press charges.
It's wild to me that they're restarting production on Rust, and even more so that they say it's going to be a western with no guns on set. It's going to be such a shitty movie in every regard.
It's insane to me that it's apparently the norm in Hollywood to have ACTUAL GUNS on set and the safety system is to have a single point of failure (the armorer) who makes sure everything is safe. If you're going to have actual guns on set (which already seems like a terrible idea) everyone who touches that gun should be required to get gun safety training.
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The right wing gun dorks really froth about this one, and it's honestly the right reaction. Alec Baldwin is a big liberal anti-gunner, and yet here he was making a movie with gunplay and treating live guns like toys. The very thing liberal anti-gunners believe all gun people do. To anyone who owns or has shot guns, it should seem bugfuck crazy to trust someone else handing you a gun telling you it's safe to point it at a living being and pull the trigger. You check it. Every time a gun gets into your hands, you check it for safety.
To anyone who owns or has shot guns, it should seem bugfuck crazy to trust someone else handing you a gun telling you it’s safe to point it at a living being and pull the trigger. You check it.
To anyone who owns or has shot guns, it's crazy to do that even if you did check it. It violates more than one of the main rules. You treat it as if it's loaded even if you think it isn't. You never point it at anything you don't want to destroy. If someone tells you to point it at them or someone else you say no.
There's no reason you couldn't use a fake gun for this lol
I think the honest reason to not use fakes is the fakes probably cost way more than an everyday Uberti reproduction
What are talking about? Peepaw taught me on Facebook that you should point your loaded gun at your sack to own the libs
Not the kind of bottom surgery i'm going for, but people should have options.
sometimes you just gotta make a bright loud flash and tape small explosives to a guy :eric-andre:
It’s not the job of the actor to be a firearms expert. They go through safety training, but the point of the armorer is that they do trust that the gun is safe. With Alec Baldwin, the gun was supposed to be loaded with a dummy round but was loaded with a live round. Some dummy rounds look almost exactly the same as a live round. Even if he did check it the chances are he probably wouldn’t have noticed.
It’s not the job of the actor to be a firearms expert.
Yeah, this is kind of what I mean. They don't need to be an expert but they sure do need to know the rules of gun safety and be well enough trained to check that the gun is actually safely loaded.
Guns are serious, there's no space for people to handle them unseriously.
it is always the job of the guy holding a gun to be careful not to kill people with the gun.
actors do research for roles all the time. it is absolutely their job to know how to handle a firearm if that's part of a character they're playing. beyond that, anyone who refuses to learn gun safety should be banned from touching a firearm, ever.
Did you not read what I wrote, they do safety training.
And no, it is absolutely not their job to be firearms experts. That’s the SAG and IATSE position on it as well.
i did, i just also read what someone else wrote, which is that he skipped it apparently?
that's nice that IATSE and SAG feel that way. i disagree with their position and stand by what i said :shrug-outta-hecks:
It’s not the job of the actor to be a firearms expert.
It is, however, the job of the production company to hire a competent armourer. And if they knowingly hire a cut-rate armourer with a proven history of dangerous safety violations, the production company's owner ought to be held responsible. Alec Baldwin is the owner of the film's production company.
It's the number one basic rule of gun safety: don't point a gun at something you don't want to shoot. It's not hard. If you need to break the most cardinal law of gun safety for a film production, you better know what the fuck you are doing.
They also decided to literally not pay the armorer for armorer services for the entire filming, they paid her for like 2-3 weeks then said "Ok now you are a prop assistant" or something, and told her to stop doing armorer shit afterwards when she tried cause it would make them have to pay extra.
I just don't understand why there'd ever be actual ammunition anywhere near the guns.
Because eventually they want to film scenes with live rounds being used.
It depends on the production, but ever since Brandon Lee got killed on the set of The Crow, there's been a definite move away from the "real guns on set" style
Now there's supposed to be very strict rules on when and where you can use real guns vs. prop guns and everything is supposed to be clearly marked and handled properly
From what I read about the situation, the producers literally did not give a shit
The armorer not being union was literally the least of the worst things they did, because there's talk of the weapons cage being open for anyone to just walk into, producers fucking around with the guns themselves and having themselves impromptu shooting sessions, everything just being unmarked and tossed around in buckets with no labels
It's honestly appalling on so many levels
Everyone who touches a gun on a set does go through gun safety training, along with a general safety meeting with everyone by the armorer.
this part o.O
News of Baldwin's dismissal broke on the same day production of Rust resumed, 18 months after the shooting, at a new location, Yellowstone Film Ranch in Montana.
Baldwin still stars in it, Souza is still the director and Hutchins' widower Matthew is now the executive producer, a title he got in a settlement after dropping his wrongful death lawsuit against Baldwin and the other producers of Rust.
