• Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    This guy starts out with "fascism is anti-capitalist achtualllly" which immediately outs him as a fascist so anyone posting this goon will immediately get torn apart for that.

    • AHopeOnceMore [he/him]B
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      2 years ago

      Which also meana he either hasn't read Blackshirts and Reds or is lying or... is just plain incompetent. Probably a mix of all 3. Unfortunately typical of anticommunists.

  • Parzivus [any]
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    2 years ago

    I wish someone debunked it, that book is a blackpill and a half

    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      That's the thing, isn't it? I kind of wish someone COULD conclusively prove that capitalism will fix everything, that things will dramatically improve without needing to be torn down/rebuilt. That society isn't going to be fucked off a cliff without drastic changes.

      But I have not once encountered a convincing argument to that point

      So arguing and fighting for what we know is what we have

      • AHopeOnceMore [he/him]B
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        2 years ago

        Also history teaches the opposite lesson. Hope for capitalist reform requires a belief that it will do the exact opposite of what it has done for the last 150 years.

        • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Exactly. It will never get better on it's own, it is built on a bedrock of exploitation and greed.

          It requires a 'favorable' arbitrage somewhere to make a profit, so someone must always be getting shafted

          • AHopeOnceMore [he/him]B
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            2 years ago

            The improvements under capitalism and due to capitalism (aside drom workers' struggles) largely happened early on, in an attempt to set up a liberal status quo and build on it as a bourgeois revolution with "freedoms", etc. Of course, this was all in the context of colonialism and the dehumanization of various races ans ethnicities, to echo your point.

            Since then, advances have largely happened in response to or against capitalism, so only through a Marxist lens couod you credit that to capitalism itself: that it degrades conditions for the primary underclass it creates, an underclass that has the power and cognizance to push back. The labor movement, socialism, and even reform movements have at their core an oppositional nature to the liberal status quo, with the latter only succeeding when it happens to align with ruling class interests or through incredible effort, organization, and disruption.

      • Wildgrapes [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I agree. I often wish I could just chud it up and like believe things were ok. That the climate wasn't fucked, that it's chill to just like throw batteries into the ocean, that if these were problems they'd be fixed by the market.

        Life would be much easier if I believed that.

        Alas

        • SuperZutsuki [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Your own reality is shaped by your beliefs so you just need a lobotomy and the right programming and you, too, can be angry about everything while also living in the most free country in the world. Just drowning in all that freedom :the-republican:

  • MerryChristmas [any]
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    2 years ago

    Admission: I've never finished Blackshirts and Reds but I tell people to read it like I have.

    • MF_COOM [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Honestly it's not that serious a text, more like a polemic. If you're already on board with the program reading chapters two and three are probably sufficient, spend your theory hours reading something with actual citations.

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      2 months ago

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    • ChapoChatGPT [any]
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      2 years ago

      lol might as well knock it out just so you can't get called out on it, only takes a couple hours. or go with the audiobook

      but yeah I agree with MF, it's mostly useful in providing a counternarrative to average peoples' understanding of history.

  • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I'm not going in there unless we've already turned the comments section into a killing field

    • HornyOnMain
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      2 years ago

      working on it now :im-doing-my-part:

      • chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Fyi the channel has comments hidden until approved, at least past a certain length.

        You can check in an incognito window or Tor browser window to see if your comments show up there, otherwise this person has to look and them and approve them.

    • VILenin [he/him]M
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      2 years ago

      You’re assuming this is a serious academic exercise in debunking and not the same 200 year old talking points being regurgitated over and over

  • Mindfury [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    you're telling me that Ben got so scared of Eddie (midwestern marx) on tiktok that he's given us another platform to bully him on?

    wew lad

  • Othello
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    2 months ago

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