• Nakoichi [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    Uh wasn't Charles Manson literally trying to bring about an apocalyptic race war?

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      Yes.

      I'll leave this here..

      Helter Skelter (scenario)

      Appearing in a 2009 documentary, former Manson follower Catherine Share said the following:

      When the Beatles' White Album came out, Charlie listened to it over and over and over and over again. He was quite certain that the Beatles had tapped in to his spirit, the truth—that everything was gonna come down and the black man was going to rise. It wasn't that Charlie listened to the White Album and started following what he thought the Beatles were saying. It was the other way around. He thought that the Beatles were talking about what he had been expounding for years. Every single song on the White Album, he felt that they were singing about us. The song 'Helter Skelter'—he was interpreting that to mean the blacks were gonna go up and the whites were gonna go down.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        1 year ago

        Ok, yes, sure. He wanted to set off a race war with a series of high profile killings that he planned to pin on minorities. He believed that this race war was inevitable and that he was simply launching it on his terms. And he came to this realization by repeatedly ingested music from a bunch of British Libs. Fine. I'll concede that point.

        But that doesn't technically make him a white nationalist, because he never explicitly says "I am a white nationalist". And even if he did maybe he was joking? Who can say. Literally nobody. Nobody can say anything about anyone's intent ever.

        clears throat

        prepares a new tweet

        Why Jeremy Corbyn is anti-Semitic and Bernie Sanders hates white women. 🧵 1/

      • MoneyIsTheDeepState [comrade/them,he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I thought it was to rule the black people who he believed would win the race war. You know, once he and his followers emerged from the desert bunker he was going to lead them to when the time came

          • MoneyIsTheDeepState [comrade/them,he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Yeah, I don't see it mentioned often that Manson got his cult-adjacent start in pimping, and that the structure of the "family" was largely centered around relatively normal organized crime methods

            CW SV

            IIRC, young girls were almost exclusively the demographic he "recruited" from, so to speak. They were the ones he'd really try to prey on the minds of, and then they served as combination members and sex slaves whatever the trafficked version of a sex worker is called

            Personally, I'd bet he just liked pseudo-profound riffing and got a high off of people hanging on his every shitty word. I mean, he probably believed a lot of the things he said, but I figure the primary purpose was to feed his ego and, in a cult-structure sense, provide an unbelievable element to performatively (or genuinely, but it'll break your mind) believe as a token of faith

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        his plan was roughly. Incite a race war which black people win and then to trick them into being his slaves because he thought black people were dumb enough to fall for that