Other tricks to infer cognitive state involved quickly flashing visuals or sounds to a user in ways they may not perceive, and then measuring their reaction to it.

And

I'm going to have to mute this now, but I'm hearing from several people that they are Very Mad™ and I want to make sure they are validated.

For all complaints and criticism, please call my complaint hotline at :

1-717-Very-Mad

(1-717-837-9623)

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  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    1 year ago

    Oh cool, just straight up admitting to using their software for subliminal brainwashing techniques.

    So where are the congress boomers that were worried about Tiktok "Tracking the dilation in the pupils?" now that a US company says it's doing that (and probably more)

  • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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    1 year ago

    It's funny how many times people have gone radio silent on me during conversations about manipulative XR because I sound like a crackpot when I'm merely describing some of the techniques being used by marketing researchers. People are incredibly vulnerable to manipulation and XR is the next step in that tech. Which is useful if you want to figure out how the placebo effect works to help humanity, not so much if you live in a Capitalist dystopia.

  • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    somebody in the comments calls this guy out for being "overly dramatic" in describing the 3.5 years spent on this project as "10% of his life", and his retort is pure douche bag.

    he says that "well, it's longer than i spent getting my bachelor's degree and my two master's degrees combined."

    what an abject loser and likely pathological liar. sure, one can probably squeeze 120 credit hours into 3 years by stacking every semester and earning summer credits (dork). but if you can do that and pull in the 30x2 upper division hours it would take for two masters simultaneously, you are absolutely double (or triple) dipping, taking every easy pass/fail course you can find, and effectively slicing the credential sausage so thin it could be measured in angstroms. as much respect as i can acknowledge for someone who greases an institution like that, it's the opposite of pursuing edification. it's blatant careerist paper milling.

    if i was on a hiring panel i would red flag that, contact the issuing institution to verify it and advocate for the well rounded person who isn't a self-brand obsessed fabulist.

    • grey_wolf_whenever [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      both those people suck honestly if youre 30 and you work 3 years on something thats 10% of your life im gonna call that one as fine. But then the college thing? ugh, disgusting shit. Also your degrees cant be worth that much if you did them that quick, if youre telling the truth.

      • facow [he/him, any]
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        1 year ago

        Yeah I got a Masters in a semester. Was very much fake/just a piece of paper for taking classes I could have during undergrad if I wasn't so lazy. Very silly to brag about rushing through college

        • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Yeah, there's definitely a coursework master's in there. Which most people finishing a bachelor's are probably a few hairs away from anyway. It's actually really funny to work R&D and brag about your master's degrees. Guaranteed most people on his team have done PhDs and have serious original research under their belt. Not like random semester long projects and seminar courses.

    • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      well, it’s longer than i spent getting my bachelor’s degree and my two master’s degrees combined

      At some point you're not finishing degrees fast because you're smart, they're just bullshit degrees.

  • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Apple™ Innovation®™©

    make it minimalist at the expense of functionality and make it more evil

    • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I wish I could resurrect Steve Jobs just so I could hang him from a lamp post

  • BoxedFenders [any, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    It's remarkable how accurate dystopian sci-fi of the 20th century was at predicting the 21st. And how wildly inaccurate utopian sci-fi turned out to be.

    • RNAi [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      That's literally because the most insufferable people read those dystopian sci-fi and thought "damn those evil people are making a lot of money"

      • Quimby [any, any]
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        1 year ago

        exactly. we're inspired by things that already exist. in this case, it's tough to imagine futuristic technology that isn't already inspired by the depictions of "futuristic technology" we've seen throughout our lives.

  • xXthrowawayXx [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Imma come straight out of the gate and say: this shit will be used to harm you, just like all the shit before it. Become a Luddite not because you hate the mill, but because you hate what has been done to you with the mill.

    That said, the technology here isn’t new. The linger cursor (that’s the old name for the eye navigation) is probably low key to people who’ve never tried to use this bullshit for something other than jacking off the most important aspect for normal style use.

    You can’t have swinging two weird looking dildos around as a precondition for xr.

    The mental state detection is an elusive kind of language, it’s middle manager speak for divining intent. Pretty necessary for linger cursor work. Early implementations using those goofy glasses you’d get punched in a bar for wearing had this problem where the user would be reading along, get lost in thought or focus on something out of plane (other than the screen) and the system would correctly register a linger and click on something.

    To figure out if you e got a user that intends to click on something you need a biofeedback loop. It’s not just a feedback loop because there’s an organism integrated into it. It’s not necessarily a skinnerbox because there doesn’t have to be a skinner in the loop.

    So this absolute psychopath isn’t actually describing their pivotal role in creating the ending of a clockwork orange, because they didn’t actually do that.

    What they’re trying to do is make prospective employers think they did so they can get money.

    Apologies for the tone, I been listening to a lot of varn vlog, The Mansplaining Podcast (tm).

    • NedLudd [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Become a Luddite not because you hate the mill, but because you hate what has been done to you with the mill.

      And when you destroy the mill, tell them it was Ned Ludd

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      That said, the technology here isn’t new. The linger cursor (that’s the old name for the eye navigation)

      The Samsung Galaxy S4, a 10 year old android smartphone from 2013, had this. You could scroll with your eyes. It worked about as well as you'd expect. Hopefully this technology has improved.

      • xXthrowawayXx [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Yeah that implementation didn’t make as big a splash as I expected when first revealed, mostly because it sucked. That’s the real promise though, closed eye orgasms and hands free visuals.

        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          That’s the real promise though, closed eye orgasms and hands free visuals.

          So everyone is thinking about this. Because that's the first thing I thought, all this tech is just going to be used to find new ways to watch mediocre porn.

          That is pretty worrying, if people think porn addiction is bad now, imagine it with realistic VR. So many guys are just going to give up on relationships.

          • xXthrowawayXx [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            I don’t think so tbh.

            First though, I was only referring to the hands free visuals part of the inversion of “hands free orgasms and closed eye visuals” new religious movement idea in response to the failure of early linger cursor technologies. The big thing was freeing your hands from feeding your eyes more information.

            Re: porn, impact on our lives has more to do with accessibility as opposed to intensity or immersiveness of experience.

            • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              First though, I was only referring to the hands free visuals part of the inversion of “hands free orgasms and closed eye visuals” new religious movement idea in response to the failure of early linger cursor technologies. The big thing was freeing your hands from feeding your eyes more information.

              Did religious people really think that hands free scrolling was satanic? Incredible lmao.

              Re: porn, impact on our lives has more to do with accessibility as opposed to intensity or immersiveness of experience

              I'm just worried that if accessibility and immersion were to be combined, it would have a pretty massive effect on society. It's mainly because I tried a really terrible version of the VR stuff a while ago, and even though the image quality was terrible, I could see how easily it could screw up someone's life. It might be one of the very few things Joe Rogan is right about. I hate to mention him, but I can't really think of anyone in the mainstream that talks about it, aside from crazy religious freaks that think anything is satanic.

              • xXthrowawayXx [none/use name]
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                1 year ago

                No, that was a joke about how hands free scrolling is the “dream” for a next generation user interface just like how for a specific kind of transcendental meditation set “closed eye visuals and hands free orgasms” is the dream.

                I don’t think technology that deepens the experience of pornography is what drives young men away from meaningful relationships. Fundamentally, the relationships aren’t there or aren’t achievable and so they might turn to parasocial ones or escapism, but there’s no precedent for porn driving men away from the family.

                I have trouble accepting that young men would even accept that situation since now there’s a whole swath of movements and aesthetics that reflect a desire to in fact recreate the family pornography would be pushing them away from.

                What’s destroying the family is the shredding of our social fabric as living conditions decline. Pornography isn’t causing that or adding to the problem.

                When I move into a pod hotel to live with my wife hatsune miku it won’t be because my real wife and house and kids and job and life can’t compare, it’ll be because there isn’t enough of a future on offer to resist the mirror.

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    1 year ago

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  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Wonder how all these nerds are going to cope when their fancy smancy VR technology and mind reading crap is going to be used to watch and interact with some terrible porn, and not much else. No one is doing fake office jobs in this VR/AR crap. Opening a spreadsheet in AR? Fuck off. Attending a scrum/agile meeting in VR? No, how about shoving that headset in a volcano?

    VR is going to be like VHS vs Betamax all over again, the cheapest headset that can gain the users trust to use incognito tabs, while having image quality that's better than a Vaseline smeared CRT monitor, will win and go mainstream.

    • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]M
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      1 year ago

      VR is going to be like VHS vs Betamax all over again

      Not to be a pedant, but I think it's important to recognize that porn wasn't really the factor people think it is in that format war. There absolutely was porn distributed on Beta. The problems for beta were almost immediate, before pre-recorded media even existed on either platform. I think these same core issues will also be present for the war of the closed-garden VR platforms.

      Even though beta came out first and had a very early lead, that pretty quickly changed. A huge part of the reason that it changed was because Sony insisted on manufacturing all betamax devices themselves. They did eventually allow a handful of trusted high end Japanese partner companies to also make betamax machines but these were all more expensive high-end machines than the one Sony produced. VHS was a pretty much open standard or as open as one could be at the time. Anyone could make a VHS player so very rapidly there were much cheaper machines on the market, so cheap in fact that in Europe, Philips lobbied the government to put tariffs on VHS and betamax machines to help prop up their Video2000 standard, which still failed because the VHS machines were so much cheaper to build and sell.

      Another huge factor was that recording time was much longer on vhs, with long play VHS giving the ability to record a full American football game which was a huge want for the US market. Beta was always playing catch up when it came to recording time and always coming up short, which resulted in VHS having a higher initial market share in the US, which then led to that being the larger install base for video rentals and small productions to target, resulting in a snowball effect. Producers release content for the larger platform and the platform with more content continues to grow.


      Whoever makes a device that is affordable and does something that people actually want is going to be the one who wins this format war. Of course, there's also the issue that the currently leading platform is just PC VR, an already pretty much open standard where you can use whatever device you want, and the headset doesn't need to have the computing power in it. The manufacturers wants a closed Garden where they can control everything on their own app store like they have with cell phones, but to some degree, they're also being painted into a corner where they kind of have to support the PC market. PC gamers are the only people actually purchasing VR headsets and absolutely do not want a standalone device that doesn't allow them to play their PC VR games.

      I could be wrong, but I think releasing a $3,500 headset during an economic recession, and which is entirely incompatible with all existing hardware and software is not going to result in apple cornering the VR market like they want this thing to do. It's chasing after an ultra-high-end, non-enthusiast market which does not currently exist and is a notoriously unprofitable market for anything to target. It's fighting against the low end standalone market and the high end PC VR market, and it seems on paper to be losing on both price and features to the PC market, and who's going to spend two month's rent on a toy for little Timmy which will also need thousands of dollars in software?

      I think this is going to be incredibly niche, and the only thing that's going to keep it from being a high profile flop is that they aren't Google and don't cancel projects the second they get bored of them or realise they're a hopeless money pit. I see this exact hardware being on the market for about 5 years with the only updates being the relatively modular processor, and the app store being mostly ports and a handful of exclusives thst apple will pay through the teeth for, only to have a sequel release on a different platform.

      • VHS [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Nice write up comrade :rat-salute-2:

  • Parzivus [any]
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    1 year ago

    Apple promising not to sell your eye movements was a real :what-the-hell: moment

  • BabaIsPissed [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Yep, thought so. As soon as I saw "you can navigate the interface with your eyes" it was obviously going to be used for this. Because why the fuck would a user want that*? Tech companies are always desperate for more ways to gather user data and keep the adtech grift going. Don't even get me started on the reconstructed AI faces of users, 3D camera and the ungodly amount of sensors this thing is probably packed with. It's so obviously invasive with so little apparent benefit and there are people eating this shit up. Scary.

    *Besides people with some physical impairment but come on Apple is not doing this for them.

  • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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    1 year ago

    I'm open to consulting and taking calls

    always be grifting, never stop grifting :porky-happy:

    • NedLudd [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      In Silicon Valley, you are expected to upkeep social media not as a form of expression or as a leisure activity, but as a brand-building exercise. So ideally, you have a Twitter and a LinkedIn at minimum and both are old accounts with regular content whose niche is understandable at a glance.

  • StellarTabi [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    :big-cool: that's the reason for using the M2 processor in it, it's finally powerful enough to email all your eye movements straight to apple without being slow and overheating

  • FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]
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    1 year ago

    :geordi-no: MK ULTRA

    :geordi-yes: VR ULTRA

    I guess this doesn't really make sense, but it seemed like the most fun way to present the idea

  • SaniFlush [any, any]
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    1 year ago

    Should I just do whatever the opposite of my current thoughts are out of spite, assuming they are all planted there by someone with ill intent?