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Lenin built a proletarian state out of the ashes of the first world war, the ruin of the civil war and all capitalist invasion then a famine in 1921
By 1922 close to 25 million had died as a result of the above
Stalin was to continue living having experienced what Lenin did
In 1933 he would witness the eugenics movement reach its peak with fascist states forming everywhere
He went ahead and built socialism in the 1930s anyway.
He knew what was at stake in 1931 when he stood up and said
"We are 50-100 years behind the capitalist nations. We must close that gap in 10 years. We do it or they crush us."
Sure enough the Soviets closed the gap and ten years on the dot the Germans invade
Stalin would then watch the slaughter of his people. 27 million soviets dead in world war 2
To top that off the US drops nuclear bombs on two civilian cities and Churchill was trying to convince the Americans to rearm the Werhmacht and invade the Soviet union. "If Stalin refuses we can blot out Soviet cities one by one" he said, referring to the new nuclear bombs in a plan he called Operation Unthinkable
By this time Stalin has seen close to 50 million Soviet people die in world war 1, the civil war and world war 2 alone
In 1950 he would watch the US invade the North of Korea off a casus bellis of a border conflict to commit a horrific atrocity of murdering 20% of the koreans in the north. He sent soviet weaponry and troops despite the endless death the Soviet people had seen since 1914
Imagine if he just gave up in what seemed like hellish and absolutely nightmarish conditions
On top of that, IIRC up until shortly before WWI Lenin lost his brother and he revolutionary comrades were limited to just a few dozen people.
He also had shingles! Sounds so fucking terrible. I don't know why Lenin didn't give up and become a corporate motivational speaker honestly.
Communism isn't inevitable though, it supposes civilization doesn't collapse entirely in a few years, which will almost surely happen at some level. At best will have the chance to rebuild the world from its ashes, at worst, we won't even be there anymore. But I do appreciate your enthusiasm.
At best we will have the chance to rebuild the world from its ashes
In a way, that's exactly what Lenin did after WW1.
A lot of people with genuine mental health problems wind up in the “Doomer” category at no fault of their own. Maybe don’t scold them as cowards.
Yes! I’ve noticed this too. Drinking your life away is not the answer.
I have genuine mental health problems and I'm not a doomer. Don't fucking speak for me.
If you can, learn gardening skills if you don't already. I think people underestimate how important cultivating and cooking food will be as a skill should shit hit the fan. My partner and I have struggled a lot with container gardening, but have found some successes. Mostly with hot peppers.
I'm extremely sorry that things are that way for you and I understand how those circumstance might make you feel shit but I don't see how pushing against people trying to be motivational is going to help you out in the end. Motivating the troops and mobilising people is absolutely essential to your conditions improving because it is these people that will actually achieve it. Why would you fight back against that? It is strategically absurd to do so.
Trying to motivate people is great! Calling unmotivated people "cowards" not so much.
Some people respond to positive reinforcement while others respond to negative. It is necessary to approach from all angles and leftists should be aware that is what is occurring when people are doing this.
Fair enough. I guess my issue is that for someone like me, that sort of phrasing goes past simply not being motivational and verges on being discouraging. Just something to consider, strategically speaking.
Yep, I totally understand that. Definitely different messages required for different people.
That's part of why being a broad movement is so important. There's a huge amount of different people with different things that work for them, we must be broad with messaging and content that appeals to (and does not appeal to) different groups of people without actively fighting against the content that doesn't necessarily work for us but might work for others.
Awareness within the movement of this is an important aspect of being able to stay broad and continue to work without eating ourselves.
I agree with everything here, except for the implication that opining on whether a strategy is constructive is the same as "actively fighting against" it
whenever i get sad i just cuddle my friends and help them with their issues
remember, having friends means you can convert them to eco-anarcho-maoism
I see not all admins are bloomers. Good, y'all balance each other out.
batista wishing the twenty guerrillas who wrecked their ship against the cuban sierra aren't bloomers :che-smile:
alright as fucked climate change is it can literally always get worse. The 22nd century will be the century of apocalypse if socialist forces do nothing. It's the difference of +5 degrees of warming compared to +8 degrees. Climate change isn't going kill us, it's going to be the famines, disaster response, and eachother. All of those can be mitigated with a socialist society and restoration can eventually get underway. Or the left loses and humanity gets to experience a slow death in the era of barbarism. I know what future I'd fight for.
This is important. While we need to understand the severity of climate change, we also shouldn't pretend like actual human extinction is even a possibility in the worst case scenario.
If you do nothing, nothing comes. But the project isnt one of instantaneous implementation, it’s about momentum. Even if socialism doesnt come in our life time, the steps you take today help tomorrow. I can promise to work for a better world and thats the most i can ask of you and myself. But to cede to doomerism is to let them win, and never let them win anymore.
You can still help improve people's lives. Even if you've given up on the idea that we can achieve socialism, that doesn't mean you can't help people to minimize the suffering caused by capitalism.
It's why I'm here. This shit could straight up change the goddamn world if it plays out right.
Or it could just be the internet's dive bar
Or it could be both:kropotkin-shining:
I don't think communism is necessarily evitable, but I also think that it's equally not inevitable that capitalism will just continue on or maybe morph into neo-feudalism. Nothing has predetermined. Anything is possible.
It's definitely not impossible but it's something we all have to work towards. Remember, this is supposed to be a team effort.
