Bad take
My man's out there assassinating heads of state and rescuing political hostages getting tortured for intel. Mafty did nothing wrong
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I haven't read the novel (is there even an English translation lol), but I'm pretty sure that's part of the point
Char was on the cusp of being right in CCA. He's just a dumb old 30-something who never wanted to be in a leadership position (mood). In ZZ we get shown that the Federation's government doesn't have the common person's interests in mind, and that the earth is already mostly depopulated. The status quo needs to be upset for any chance of liberation, but Char's idea of "lol throw a big rock at it" isn't quite the best solution.
Anyways, Hathaway gets a whole lot of trauma during those events, but he also figures out that Char was mostly right, but a giant rock isn't the answer (hehehehe cheeky
time).Clearly none of it matters in the long run though (wild gesticulations towards F91, Victory, etc).
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Clearly none of it matters in the long run though (wild gesticulations towards F91, Victory, etc).
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STAND UP TO THE VICTORY
その向こう側にたとえ
悲しみが 待っていたとしても
信じて欲しい
君の 涙を 見たくないから
STAND UP TO THE VICTORY on the other side Even if sadness awaits believe me Because I don't want to see your tears
Neo-Neo-Neo-Neo Zeon we bring back the zombie body of Gihren
We need more plant themed robots, even if it's stuff like Rose Gundam or Tequila Gundam.
critical support for char aznable in his heroic struggle to liberate occupied colonies from the federation empire.
char's like the ideal guy for this. i'm not worried about him being a fascist, because we know how he deals with fascists
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i'll take him over amuro, who sees the titans and decides "yeah, i'll join the group the federation creates to replace these guys. that seems smart"
0079 and Zeta Char, yes. After the ending of that show and
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what happens to Kamille Bidan
he kinda goes off the deep end with his beliefs, from a left-Zeon worldview to his Newtype esotericism, as well as letting his personal feud with Amuro be the main driving force of what drives him.
Amuro becoming a lib cop is a different, but equally loathsome character evolution. Seeing the evils brought upon the federation, its unwillingness of action and turning a blind eye to it and forgetting they're the reason you have PTSD.
At least the Federation collapsed eventually, even if it wasn't exactly a progressive development.
char could have been a genuinely heroic figure in char's counterattack but instead he is at best a massive fuckup who let his obsession with amuro lead him to hand the federation the victory
(i agree with basically everything you said, but i stand by my declaration of critical support)
Char, Amuro, and Lalah could have been the throuple to guide humanity into a peaceful future. But, uhhh, you know, the thing happened.
i'll take him over amuro, who sees the titans and decides "yeah, i'll join the group the federation creates to replace these guys. that seems smart"
To be fair, Londo Bell was supposed to be headed up by Captain Bright. They share responsibility in it becoming this kinda ineffective boondoggle.
i'm definitely not blaming amuro alone for anything, it's just that he is in fact a cop
He had emotionally immature parents (mood) and the only role model that stepped in was Bright, king cop lmao.
i mean at this point in the universal century the earth is mostly depopulated and primarily functions as a base of power and status symbol for the federation, given all the prior colony drops and the fact that the federation has been forcibly shipping the lower classes off earth for like 9 decades. plenty of innocents will die, but it's closer to nuking
than destroyong the world
contolism is a political ideology/borderline religion in the universal century timeline of the mobile suit gundam franchise. it was started by zeon zum deikum. its adherents believe that when humanity begins to live full lives in space they will become a newtype of human, and that people should stop living on the earth. though this has some eugenicist and fascist undertones, it also acts as an anti-imperialist ideology, given the earth federation's status as a repressive empire. this meme is using an anti-communist meme template to mock this fictional ideology, by showing the things each in universe leader has done.
the first leader shown is gihren zabi, leader of zeon during the one year war. this war basically started with zeon gassing a colony to death and dropping it onto sydney australia. i mean, i think it was aimed at jaburo but . gihren is an open fascist, who takes being compared to adolf hitler as a compliment and kills his dad for attempting to find a peaceful end to the war
second is aiguille delaz, who after the war leads the remnants of zeon's army to once again drop a colony on the earth. this time it's an empty colony and he's planning on dropping it on jaburo, which is an isolated military installation. still bad, but when you combine those with the fact that the show he's from (0083 stardust memory) is a miserable show where i hate all the federation characters, i was rooting for him to drop the colony. that being said he's still very loyal to gihren so fuck him
third is haman karn. she leads neo-zeon, using the authority of mineva zabi, the last surviving member of the zabi family to gain legitimacy. she's a girlboss who has no real ideology beyond wanting power, but she's more than happy to drop a colony onto dublin, the current capital of the earth federation to try and win the war
then finally we have char aznable. the son of zeon deikum, char kills multiple members of the zabi family as revenge for what they did to his father and his legacy, and then helps found the anti-earth union group which fights against the first of many fascist secret police forces the federation creates. a few years after this he wrangles the remnants of haman karn's neo-zeon to try and destroy the earth federation by dropping 2 asteroids on the earth. char is not a fascist, and at this point earth is mostly just the earth federation with not many innocents left. so in this one instance i personally choose critical support. despite this char is not a truly heroic figure in char's counterattack, he is at best a massive fuckup who let his obsession with amuro (his ex) lead him to hand the federation the victory
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this is what char does to fascistssorry for writing so many words about the robot toy commercial
I don't begrudge you the slightest for a special interest infodump, I do the same now and then. Thank you for very thoroughly answering my question
happy to help! i only started watching gundam less than a year ago, so if this had had anyone from unicorn or hathaway (the 2 big installments of the timeline i haven't seen) i wouldn't have been able to help lmao
sorry for writing so many words about the robot toy commercial
In your defense, it's pretty compelling YA fiction. The toy commercial part is a necessary evil since making animation is really expensive.
so if this had had anyone from unicorn or hathaway (the 2 big installments of the timeline i haven't seen) i wouldn't have been able to help lmao
You're still watching everything in release order, right? Otherwise, you've seen 0079-CCA, so skipping ahead to Unicorn or Hathaway should be fine.
i'm mostly sticking to release order, yeah. it's not a hard rule, sometimes a friend wants to watch stuff that was made later with me and i'm not that much of a stickler
it's pretty good! lots of political stuff that's really interesting, some really compelling stuff going on. if you want to get a feel for the vibe, i'd recommend starting with 0080 war in the pocket, which is only 6 episodes long and is excellent
