Oh, yeah I feel so sorry for the USA starting multiple wars of conquest and committing atrocities that make the nazis look like boyscouts. We're still using the purple hearts made in advance of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. If it saved lives in the 3rd world it was worth it.
What's the obsession with the planes anyway? Diversified guerilla tactics were far more destructive and killed many more people, but they're somehow a non-issue?
Fuck imperial USA, I just wish Osama flew more planes into buildings
You say bloodthirsty shit so proudly and with absolutely no self awareness, in the same breath that you condemn monsters you are yourself a monster advocating for the murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians that bear no responsibility.
Simply not invading Korea and Vietnam would have saved far more lives (even just American lives) than the bombs dropped in Japan.
Hell, accepting Japanese terms of surrender and beginning the peace talks months earlier would have saved more American lives.
I just wish we'd had more a-bombs ready to drop on them.
The bulk of the dead on the main islands were civilians, as the army was oversees occupying the mainland. By the time they got home, the war was over and the US had functionally taken over their command. They were then turned to the purpose of... killing more Japanese domestic civilians in order to suppress a communist revolt. Japan - along with the rest of the Pacific Rim - returned to military dictatorship staffed by the remnants of the old Japanese army.
The people primarily made to suffer were those who could not or would not join combat.
do you understand the difference between the state that rules over a people and the state's military, versus the actual civilians who just live there? because only one of those two groups actually died to the atom bombs, and it wasn't the people committing the atrocities. those people got inducted into the American military apparatus instead.
they were literally already ready to surrender. they only asked for one condition, which they were granted after the bombs were dropped anyway -- that the emperor would be allowed to live.
B-but the historian youtube guy told me that only the army on the mainland cared about the soviet invasion. The civilian government only surrendered because of muh atomic bombs. So boooth sides.
I'm sure all the innocent civilians (including many inarguably-innocent children) that we vaporized appreciated the message 🙄👍 And the firebombing being more destructive isn't a valid excuse, it's just an additional (and analogous) atrocity. Two wrongs don't make a right! Are you seriously arguing that the fact that we don't discuss the firebombings as much makes it OK to have dropped nuclear ordinance on entire cities?
I obviously agree that Imperial Japan and its military was responsible for unknowable amounts of harm, but there must have been some way to show off the capabilities of nukes from the tests to the world and at least give them a chance to surrender before going to this extreme step.
I love how liberals pretend everyone who died in the bombing were members of Unit 731 or veterans of Nanking, no motherfuckers all the flash shadows on the walls we're ordinary Japanese working class people
All the genociders got off scot-free and were sipping champagne with US capitalists and intelligence agents ten years after the war, liberals have Saturday morning cartoon conception of history
not to "well actually" you, but it was even worse than that. a significant fraction of the victims were literal korean slaves. we nuked a slave quarters.
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If nuking Japanese civilians was justified because of their empire's genocide than Europe and the US should be turned to ash
Luckily for us, it wasn't justified
Oh, yeah I feel so sorry for the USA starting multiple wars of conquest and committing atrocities that make the nazis look like boyscouts. We're still using the purple hearts made in advance of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. If it saved lives in the 3rd world it was worth it.
What's the obsession with the planes anyway? Diversified guerilla tactics were far more destructive and killed many more people, but they're somehow a non-issue?
Fuck imperial USA, I just wish Osama flew more planes into buildings
This is the perfect reply. Just twist their logic against them.
I tried to use this logic, too, somehow I missed this post. Well done, FlakesBongler!
No need to compare the US to Nazis, their atrocities are their own.
The US atrocities outside the US do also not make Nazis look like boyscouts.
I just copy-pasted the original comment with a few nouns changed out
I am fully aware that the Great Satan is it's own evil
Takes like this must be some of the benefits of federating that I've heard so much about.
Don't worry, you'll be defederated soon enough.
hog out or log out
if your posting can't match ours, then your only choice is defederation
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Threatening me with a good time.
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Good, we don't want braindead takes like yours around here anyway.
That's not how defederation works, dipshit.
I can't hear you over this dope-ass bear
oh no, the nazis don't want to play with us!
face the fucking wall, shitbag
[fart noise]
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If all it takes to get defederated is not being pro-nuking civilians I reckon it'd probably be a good thing if it happened
Tbf the basic gist I got from dot world preemptively defederating from y'all was because they like licking NATO's boot too much.
Hexbear's de-federation message
It’s too bad you didn’t die in a nuclear war
Federation is fucking wild folks, bait is back on the menu.
Love 2 advocate for glassing a nation.
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They aren't sending their best
least genocidal liberal
So it wasn't worth it? Because the evidence is clear that the bombs were not necessary for and did not accelerate their surrender
You say bloodthirsty shit so proudly and with absolutely no self awareness, in the same breath that you condemn monsters you are yourself a monster advocating for the murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians that bear no responsibility.
Lol dog brain
Simply not invading Korea and Vietnam would have saved far more lives (even just American lives) than the bombs dropped in Japan.
Hell, accepting Japanese terms of surrender and beginning the peace talks months earlier would have saved more American lives.
The bulk of the dead on the main islands were civilians, as the army was oversees occupying the mainland. By the time they got home, the war was over and the US had functionally taken over their command. They were then turned to the purpose of... killing more Japanese domestic civilians in order to suppress a communist revolt. Japan - along with the rest of the Pacific Rim - returned to military dictatorship staffed by the remnants of the old Japanese army.
The people primarily made to suffer were those who could not or would not join combat.
do you understand the difference between the state that rules over a people and the state's military, versus the actual civilians who just live there? because only one of those two groups actually died to the atom bombs, and it wasn't the people committing the atrocities. those people got inducted into the American military apparatus instead.
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they were literally already ready to surrender. they only asked for one condition, which they were granted after the bombs were dropped anyway -- that the emperor would be allowed to live.
B-but the historian youtube guy told me that only the army on the mainland cared about the soviet invasion. The civilian government only surrendered because of muh atomic bombs. So boooth sides.
I'm sure all the innocent civilians (including many inarguably-innocent children) that we vaporized appreciated the message 🙄👍 And the firebombing being more destructive isn't a valid excuse, it's just an additional (and analogous) atrocity. Two wrongs don't make a right! Are you seriously arguing that the fact that we don't discuss the firebombings as much makes it OK to have dropped nuclear ordinance on entire cities?
I obviously agree that Imperial Japan and its military was responsible for unknowable amounts of harm, but there must have been some way to show off the capabilities of nukes from the tests to the world and at least give them a chance to surrender before going to this extreme step.
What's the correct number of babies to atomize to punish an emperor who we keep in power?
haha you're a moron
By the way, what do you think about the September 11 attacks?
Japan only surrendered after the Soviets tore up their treaty and made landfall
I love how liberals pretend everyone who died in the bombing were members of Unit 731 or veterans of Nanking, no motherfuckers all the flash shadows on the walls we're ordinary Japanese working class people
All the genociders got off scot-free and were sipping champagne with US capitalists and intelligence agents ten years after the war, liberals have Saturday morning cartoon conception of history
not to "well actually" you, but it was even worse than that. a significant fraction of the victims were literal korean slaves. we nuked a slave quarters.
Liberals? In my Hexbear? It's more likely than you think