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    It's almost fucking comedic at this point seeing his fucking fingerprints on everything

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        The evidence has been compiled by German anthropologist Dr Adrian Zenz, whose research was instrumental in raising the profile of the security build-up and mass detention of Uighurs in China's remote Xinjiang province.

        If you're unfamiliar with Zenz, he's a far right evangelical and senior fellow of the Victims of Communism Memorial Fund, which is the group constantly pushing the Communism Killed 100 Million People! narrative. He believes he's on a mission from God to destroy Chinese communism. His research methods are laughable. He basically just makes shit up and it gets repeated uncritically by outlets like this.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Zenz

        • StalinistApologist [he/him]
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          "Zenz is a born-again Christian. He stated that he feels "led by God" in his research on Chinese minority groups."

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            Oh, so he must be telling the truth. No one ever used the excuse of "led by God" to blatantly lie and excuse their lack of evidence in order to drum up religious support.

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    Farmers in Tibet: In the first seven months of this year over 500,000 rural Tibetan labourers have been pushed into military-style training centres.

    Love the imagery. Being a farmer means you're in prison.

    The founder of the alliance of MPs, Sir Iain Duncan Smith has urged the IOC to reconsider Beijing as the host of the Olympic Winter Games in 2022. MPs from New Zealand, the Netherlands and the UK have questioned whether the games can continue in China amid the growing human rights concerns and restrictions on freedom of the press.

    You know, part of me wants to be angry at these fucking libs for the endless Sinophobic smear campaigns. But another part of me is just dumbfounded by the feckless cowardice of their proposals.

    In response to an alleged Chinese holocaust in Tibet, the response is to maybe consider discussing the possibility of cancelling the next Olympics. We just need to ask our corporate sponsors for permission first.

    Liberal MP Dave Sharma, who led the International Division of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, said a boycott would harden nationalist views in China, escalate a "cold-war mentality" and thwart attempts to moderate the Chinese Communist Party's actions in the region.

    The absolute gall of an Australian MP talking about another country's hardening nationalism and lack of moderate governance.

    I really wonder if Park Chung-hee or Augusto Pinochet or Pieter Willem Botha ever had one of their lackeys bang some smug shit like this out in a press release.

    On Tuesday, a prominent critic of China's President Xi Jinping, Ren Zhiqiang, was sentenced to 18 years in jail for embezzling more than $10 million and taking $255,000 in bribes. The sentence came months after he described Xi as "a clown" in a highly critical essay on his response to the coronavirus crisis.

    Carl Minzner, a professor of Chinese law at Fordham University, said the jailing of the property tycoon with high-profile party links sent a message that dissent would not be tolerated.

    :che-smile: :mao-aggro-shining: :maduro_coffee:

    • Lil_Revolitionary [she/her,they/them]
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      love that ending. man gets jailed mere months after calling Xi a clown, and for what? Embezzling 10 million dollars?

      "This is a very high ranking businessman. Many thought he was untouchable but he takes a stand against Xi and he gets 18 years in prison. He has been made an example of," Minzner said from Taipei.

      waaahh why aren't high ranking businessmen untouchable? we create so much value!

      criminal justice machine go burrrrrrrrr

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        It's endlessly frustrating to watch people insist "China's socialist revolution failed! They're all just capitalists now!" Then point to something like this. And the response is "Oh, that's just authoritarianism."

        Motherfuckers, what do you think Real Socialism would even look like? Is everything just going to be co-ops and bake sales to fund the fire department? Do you assholes even read theory?

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          Yes but have you considered china bad because reasons

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          Idk I still believe real Socialism doesn’t automatically lead to authoritarianism. Coops, workers councils etc. like if they vote to send the bourgeoisie to labor camps that’s democracy baby. This is just straight up xenophobia. If China was really serious about this communism thing they would welcome in the proletariat Tibetans and Uyghurs . I guess the Chinese characteristics means communism just for ethic Chinese.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            Idk I still believe real Socialism doesn’t automatically lead to authoritarianism.

            I believe it'll get called authoritarianism, regardless of how it manifests. Guys at his level are just allowed to rob you. If you complain about it, that's fine. But you're not allowed to actually do anything.

            like if they vote to send the bourgeoisie to labor camps that’s democracy baby

            That's a Kangaroo Court and a Lynch Mob. Are you with Atticus Finch or are you with the Terrorists?

            If China was really serious about this communism thing they would welcome in the proletariat Tibetans and Uyghurs .

            What makes you think they haven't? They're attempting to integrate these communities with Mandarian language based education, they're extending infrastructure westward to allow for more expedient travel and trade, and they're expanding anti-poverty initiatives to improve quality of life.

            Quite a bit of this reactionary "China is throwing everyone in prisons!" shit is a direct response to a new cultural crusade out of Beijing intended to more firmly unify the nation.

          • bamboo68 [none/use name,any]
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            wow thats a very conveient belief for you to have, the CIA thanks you for being so naive

            I guess the Chinese characteristics means communism just for ethic Chinese.

            are you trying to say Han here? IDK man maybe you just dont know what the fuck youre talkign about huh? cause affirmative action is BIG deal in China and directly and massively materially benefits all non Han groups

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        Why would it be a disaster? Because the rest of the world has zealously outsourced manufacturing capacity to a population it saw as captured and incapable of revolt. Christ, is there another instance in which western capitalists outsourced technology and industrial capacity to a country they'd assumed had been cowed in prior decades, only to have that nation rapidly militarize and dominate a continent?

        glances at Fascist Germany and, subsequently, Soviet Russia. And Saudi Arabia and Iraq, for that matter.

        Western governments are currently scrambling to move industrial capacity from China to India. But India's already in the fascist pipeline (and increasingly hostile to China/Pakistan, for that matter). How long till we have another World War between powers westerners juiced up with industrialization?

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      I think they realised the number of uyghurs they were claiming was getting too high lmao, I wonder if they're gonna go down the list of minorities in china

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      Who ARE the few “prisoners” they interviewed and talked about though? Like the lady who said there were forced abortions and the guy who was handcuffed? I remmeber the guy who was handcuffed had a far right uncle living in Europe who works for WUC or something.

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        TIL in the Chinese province of Hong Kong, up until the 90s the native Han people were ruled by party officials of the Yingguoren minority, and forced to learn their language and culture.

    • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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      They already started that actually. They started teaching kids Mandarin in the region and we all know that making children bilingual is genocide

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    Yo Zenz literally works for a think tank fucking started by the CIA. Jamestown foundation

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    Lol this is literally just to co-opt "free tibet" into something angrier.

    They're running for the full house of "free tibet" "free taiwan" "free hong kong" "free xinjiang" and building up for the "free china" end goal.

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    did you know that the US has 20 million citizens in re-education camps? the biggest one is called 'liberty university'. how dystopian

  • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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    Actually I just checked and now 30 million muslim Tibetans are in Nike organ camps fuck china free hong kong ccp evil

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      I'm far from an expert, but my understanding is that Western mainstream coverage on this stuff can't be taken at face value (to put it lightly) because the most commonly cited source is Adrian Zenz - a hardcore Evangelical working for the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation (US backed group who take the Black Book of Communism's death toll as their official line, and who are responsible for trying to add global COVID deaths to the death toll of Communism). Supposedly he believes he's on a mission from god to expose the evils of the Chinese Communist party.

      So are there abuses happening toward ethnic and religious minorities within China? Possibly, though it's incredibly difficult to get objective sources on this. Should you view the official Western line with extreme suspicion? Definitely.

      Here's the wiki article on the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Communism_Memorial_Foundation

      I'm sure someone more informed than I am will chime in on this with more detail.

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      Alright so to my knowledge with the fall of Isis many Muslims who used to fight for them are now returning to Uyghurland, and have commited several terrorist attacks there (this might not actually be quite accurate - it seems there have been muslim terrorist attacks for quite some time), now China uses it´s materialist powers (powered by the immortal science of marxism-leninism) to see why this happens. Their conclusion: they are uneducated, often don´t speak the main chinese language and generally have a bad lot to participate in the chinese economy and culture. So they build re-education camps to teach the main language, etc. As far as I know it´s actually working out pretty well and there haven´t been any terrorist attacks for quite some time now

      Further reading: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d0lynghlCnR6Hs57pypEEhlhHczFVgaYX-TIZD61s_w/edit

    • TrotTransChick [she/her]
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      This is some shady stuff, but corporate media is much more interested in getting their sources from right wing actors that will exaggerate than actually do investigative journalism. There's a small number of left wing sources that do confirm mass repression and arbitrary imprisonment. The sensational claims of the world uyghur congress, and some of Zenz's interpretations of public data are not supportable.

      A good report is from an anthropologist who was doing ethnography in Xinjiang for years named Darren Byler who's written a lot about it including his PhD thesis. There's also a book on the Han perspective that was published a few years ago called Oil and Water: Being Han in Xinjiang.

  • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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    The new report by Dr Zenz, sponsored by a global coalition of MPs who have been urging governments to adopt a tougher stance on China