It's a long article, but it's worth a read.

"December 8 is known as the “safe harbor” deadline for appointing the 538 men and women who make up the Electoral College. The electors do not meet until six days later, December 14, but each state must appoint them by the safe-harbor date to guarantee that Congress will accept their credentials. The controlling statute says that if “any controversy or contest” remains after that, then Congress will decide which electors, if any, may cast the state’s ballots for president.

We are accustomed to choosing electors by popular vote, but nothing in the Constitution says it has to be that way. Article II provides that each state shall appoint electors “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.” Since the late 19th century, every state has ceded the decision to its voters. Even so, the Supreme Court affirmed in Bush v. Gore that a state “can take back the power to appoint electors.” How and when a state might do so has not been tested for well over a century.

Trump may test this. According to sources in the Republican Party at the state and national levels, the Trump campaign is discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority. With a justification based on claims of rampant fraud, Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly. The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires."

  • gayhobbes [he/him]
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    If the vote is close, sure, but this isn't 2000 or even 2016. Biden is up at least 6 points over Trump and has been for ages. This is the liberal version of blackpill apocalypse porn.

    Edit: thanks, friends

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      Being up on the national scale is irrelevant when a handful of states are the actual battleground. Aren't things closer in those states this time than they were last time?

        • captchaintherye [any]
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          Uh, what? Those graphs you linked to shows that Trump was doing way, way better in "battleground states" than in 2016, until coronavirus, and then since then he's been seesawing between better and worse than 2016.

          With that, combined with Biden being within or close to the margin of error vs. Trump in these states... how is that "much more favorable to Biden"?

          I think this is a moot discussion because the polls are a self-selecting sample of people who care enough to answer polls. They are ignoring tons of people who decide what they're gonna do 8.9 seconds before going into the voting booth.

            • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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              4 years ago

              Imagine being a pollwonk in TYOOL Two Thousand and Twenty.

            • gayhobbes [he/him]
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              That and the battlegrounds in 2016 aren't the battlegrounds of 2020, and polling is better in the Midwest overall, while it was largely neglected in 2016.

            • captchaintherye [any]
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              That's putting an awful lot of faith in "decideds" to (a) stay decided for 6 more weeks, and (b) actually go out and vote or mail their ballots in.

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                  We make fun of libs for saying that the latest Trump scandal will surely sink him this time but then pretend like a couple Biden gaffes are going to convince the anti-Trump crowd to jump ship.

                  I don't think they're going to jump ship because of any individual stupid shitty thing Biden did.

                  I just think a lot of them are not that invested in who they are voting for, and won't decide till the last second, so what they tell a pollster in April or July or September doesn't have much bearing on what they are going to do later, so it isn't very valuable.

                  The Biden vote is pretty much locked in at this point as well. There’s barely anyone left who hasn’t made up their minds or is open to changing it.

                  I read this exact sentence about Hillary Clinton about three billion times in 2016.

                  It's just too much reliance on polling being accurate. I'm not saying it's impossible Biden could win, but if these polls correctly "predict" it, it will be of the broken clock variety.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          Interesting, I thought it was the opposite. We'll see how that plays out then!

          • gayhobbes [he/him]
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            Yeah I think a lot of people around here want it to be true but Trump's general unlikability is going to be what swings this election more than anything else.

    • ChapoBapo [he/him]
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      Clinton was up 8 points over Trump in August of 2016 and 7 points in October.

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        Not entirely. Her average was +3 overall, and you can see that her polling was very unstable. Biden's, by contrast, is much more stable.

        • captchaintherye [any]
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          Fairy tales liberals tell themselves, #9719: the polling says everything's gonna be all right

            • captchaintherye [any]
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              I didn't say you were a liberal. I just was saying that this is something a lot of liberals tell themselves to feel better about supporting a withering, decaying dementia patient.

    • joshuaism [he/him]
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      Biden is up at least 6 points over Trump

      Where? National polls mean nothing in the face of the electoral college.