Ten Chinese air force aircraft entered Taiwan's air defence zone on Wednesday accompanying five Chinese warships engaged in "combat readiness" patrols, the island's defence ministry said, the second such incursion this week.
What the fuck are you talking about this is at the top of /all/ and it's about a socialist country, of course socialists are here.
Feel free to point to the "brigade" organisation that exists, it's a figment of your imagination. Nobody is brigading anything by simply using the fucking site. Are you brigading by being here too then?
I've got 3 fucking years of practice posting nonsensical shit in megathreads and I'm just now starting to feel the power this has in threads like this one.
nuh uh because it means that the CPC has final say over shit with regards to the economy and governance instead of just leaving things up to the market like a true capitalist country
State capitalism is when you execute billionaires and enact compulsory planning for key parts of the nation's development such as health and infrastructure.
No but state capitalism is when the majority of billionaires are allowed to exist in the first place dumbass. Tight regulations don't make you socialist. And putting money into health and infrastructure is possible under capitalism LMFAO
majority of billionaires are allowed to exist in the first place dumbass
Socialism is a transitory stage between capitalism and communism where there is ongoing class warfare between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat my dude. In China, the state is on the side of the proletariat, not the bourgeois.
And putting money into health and infrastructure is possible under capitalism
And yet China is the only major power where the state has a tight grip on both... Interesting!
“[Capitalists] act as if they are being chased by a bear,” wrote Zhang Lin, a Beijing political commentator, in response to these comments. “They are powerless to control the bear, so they are competing to outrun each other to escape the animal.”
Cool then let’s have the CPC run the USA, I’m sure you’re okay with that since China is actually capitalist, right? It should totally be the same here if the CPC takes control, right? Right?
Hey, coward, explain how you can simultaneously believe that the Donbas is independent and that when Russian troops entered their territory at their request that constituted an invasion.
Explain or admit that you don't consistently believe in self determination.
When did I say I'm against Russian troops entering Donbas territory? I made it very clear I'm against Russian troops entering anywhere BUT Donbas. Love how you guys claim to be anti-war until the millisecond a non-western nation is the one committing war crime atrocities and mass murdering civilians.
Im actually surprised that you could read the runes, interesting.
However I never said that you loved NATO lmao you just uncritically consume *and parrot their propaganda about Russia being le big evil in this situation.
Would you support America invading and drone striking the Middle East because separatists in a single province were being oppressed by their native government and wanted US help? How is this any different? Would you support Kazakhstan invading all of China for oppressing Uyghurs in Xinjiang who wanted to break away (which I know you love to deny but is very much a reality even if exaggerated by MSM)?
So lemmy get this straight, NATO going across a few oceans and continents to destroy a country of brown people in another white supremacist crusade for resources, as they do, is the same as...
A country filled with a certain ethnic group wanting to invade a region on their doorstep because NATO is fortifying it as a strongpoint to destroy it, and a bunch of Nazis are slaughtering civilians of the said same ethnic group within the said region?
Would you support Kazakhstan invading all of China for oppressing Uyghurs in Xinjiang
So basically exaggerated bullshit reports from MSM and Adrian Zenz of people being put in vocational schools is the same as Azov mass murdering innocent civilians?
Are you suggesting that the majority of Uyghurs support ETIM. Furthermore, ARE you stating that you personally support the self determination of the ETIM movement?
If I said that I supported people's rights to sell marijuana and I didn't even think they should get much jail time for it, people would rightly point out that I was lying about my support.
You stated that you supported self determination for people in the Donbas, and I didn't ignore it at all, I'm saying that even within the same post you proved that you actually didn't when you referred to their allies entering their territory as an invasion.
Again, I'm not ignoring anything, I just think you're a liar and that you only started pretending to support the Donbas's self determination because doing otherwise would undermine the point you were trying to make about Taiwan.
You keep saying that you support it and then adding caveats that prove that you actually don't.
"I support Tom's claim that he owns this house and would only want brief jail time for Susan's breaking and entering through the unlocked front door when he invited her over to help protect him from his neighbors Steve, who keeps shooting at him. That said, Susan went way too far when she also did a breaking and entering into Steve's yard to attack him while he continued to shoot at Tom while shouting 'That house is rightful Steve property and Tom the cockroach can scurry back to Susan's house.'"
If someone said this, the only logical conclusion is that they actually fully support Steve and are lying about supporting Tom.
Surprise surprise, libs arrogantly assuming they're the default and pearl-clutching about being "brigaded" because they got exposed to ideas that don't fit the narrative they've swallowed, exactly the way they always do. Vapid, self-centered actors through and through.
Millionaire journalists paid to lie and distort by billionaire executives told me that China is bad, therefore everyone on Earth believes this or they are insane. I am extremely intelligent.
To be fair, it's not like there was any sort of coordination or plan. We've been complaining about how Lemmy's current active algorithm tends to promote these sort of comment-intensive, days-long threads before federation, and now a chunk of the fediverse gets to experience the fun of a patented Hexbear struggle session. Hopefully the Lemmy devs can tune the algorithm to discourage this sort of thread getting stuck in active which thereby encourages protracted struggle.
How is it brigading when this is one of the top threads on active when browsing hexbear? How is it brigading at all when we can see posts from other instances naturally, without having to jump between them? This isn't reddit.
The federation isn't actually a shared space. There's no space between the instances. It's all happening from one instance into another.
That's why we're seeing claims of brigadi ng in this thread. Regardless of if it's true or not, As long as we don't have the tools to observe this traffic at a whole and see the trends, those claim will persist because they remain unverifiable by the average commenter.
Fyi if someone comes across this - best approach on regular lemmy now seems to be to have account with an instance like https://sopuli.xyz/ which has defederated hexbear, lemmygrad, etc. Kbin and some frontend apps allow this as well.
ill let you in on a secret. the posters at hexbear are all machines. they are posting machines hooked up to typing machines hooked up to internet machines hooked up to lib machines (you). you eat their post. they are making their shitposts immanent with your brain. they do not organize, or brigade, for they are a body without organs, pure potential posting energy that is being excreted in excess where desired. shifting in and out, de/ reterritorializing the posting space. the coils of the shit serpent are far more complex than the borrows of the molehill. welcome to the society of hexbear.
Yes, I see now that you've recently federated with most instances. My instance is federated with hexbear.net, why don't your communities show in the communities search? or e.g. if I specifically search for chapotraphouse it shows 0 subscribers. Are the servers still synchronizing?
Ok, that makes sense, a few hours ago I couldn't even find the communities, now I can see the posts in the communities I know the name of, but no comments yet. Well, it's getting there, I guess :)
The 0 subscribers you see is in terms of subscribers from your instance to that community. Not the actual subscribers the community has in the whole fediverse
Good remark, probably correct, but it's not just that either, I go into the version of chapotraphouse from my instance and see no comments anywhere, but when I see the community from hexbear, the same post has 32 comments, still some syncing underway. That and I can still only find hexbear communities by their name and not with a "hexbear" search. I've tested this from two different instances that have not blocked hexbear.
I've noticed the same thing. A lot of comments on federated posts just do not show when viewed from another instance, but do show up when viewed from an account that is part of that instance the post was made from. It's really annoying and I'm pretty sure it's a common lemmy bug but most people just don't realize it because most people never try viewing the same post with accounts on different instances because there shouldn't be any need to.
It can be pretty drastic too. Like only 4 comments seen vs 40 comments actually being there. It makes me wonder what comments I'm not seeing on other instances and what comments of mine people on other instances aren't seeing.
I guess then it would be great to open an issue describing the whole issue on the GitHub Lemmy repository. At the end of the day! It's a FOSS software maintained by the people for the people.
Yeah, I might do that, but I think they're already aware. I looked at some lemmy help communities back when I first noticed the issue during the reddit blackout, and there were a number of other people already talking about the problem. It was mostly people making their own instances because they were testing their newly-made instances with more established instances and realizing tons of comments were missing depending on which accounts they were logged into.
Surprise surprise, Hexbear users came to brigade other instances exactly the way they said they would. Bad actors through and through.
What the fuck are you talking about this is at the top of /all/ and it's about a socialist country, of course socialists are here.
Feel free to point to the "brigade" organisation that exists, it's a figment of your imagination. Nobody is brigading anything by simply using the fucking site. Are you brigading by being here too then?
brigading is when I get ratioed, and the more ratioed I am the more brigading it is
I've got 3 fucking years of practice posting nonsensical shit in megathreads and I'm just now starting to feel the power this has in threads like this one.
Keep pretending China is socialist.
Keep pretending it isn't, lib.
You're the only liberal here for kissing a capitalist nation's ass.
bro even wikipedia acknowledges china is socialist lmao
Mmkay.
Socialist Market Economy is a socialist mode of production. :bean:
Right, and the sky is green too.
Adding the word "socialist" in front of "market economy" doesn't make it any less capitalist. I'm done with this.
nuh uh because it means that the CPC has final say over shit with regards to the economy and governance instead of just leaving things up to the market like a true capitalist country
That's called state capitalism wise guy.
State capitalism is when you execute billionaires and enact compulsory planning for key parts of the nation's development such as health and infrastructure.
No but state capitalism is when the majority of billionaires are allowed to exist in the first place dumbass. Tight regulations don't make you socialist. And putting money into health and infrastructure is possible under capitalism LMFAO
Socialism is a transitory stage between capitalism and communism where there is ongoing class warfare between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat my dude. In China, the state is on the side of the proletariat, not the bourgeois.
And yet China is the only major power where the state has a tight grip on both... Interesting!
THEN BAN BILLIONAIRES AND STOP FOLLOWING DENG'S CAPITALISM JFC. Not that hard if they were actually socialist and aiming for communism.
So why haven't you done it yet?
https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/
Maybe say something of your own instead of linking a wall text. Does it look like I wanna read 5 pages of CCP propaganda?
Lol 5 pages 😂🫴📖
"Red Sails is a website run by Roderic Day in collaboration with Nia Frome, Sobrina de Alguien, and several other comrades."
That would be going into the realm of conspiracy theories lmao
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All of the billionaires allowed to exist under your socialist project, so you're not really in a position to judge.
Cool then let’s have the CPC run the USA, I’m sure you’re okay with that since China is actually capitalist, right? It should totally be the same here if the CPC takes control, right? Right?
Hey, coward, explain how you can simultaneously believe that the Donbas is independent and that when Russian troops entered their territory at their request that constituted an invasion.
Explain or admit that you don't consistently believe in self determination.
When did I say I'm against Russian troops entering Donbas territory? I made it very clear I'm against Russian troops entering anywhere BUT Donbas. Love how you guys claim to be anti-war until the millisecond a non-western nation is the one committing war crime atrocities and mass murdering civilians.
How could they possibly invade the Donbas at all when they were invited?
Semantics. I didn't mean "invade," that was just the word that came in my head. You know damn well what I meant.
It came into your head for a reason, liar. I guess going forward, nobody should assume that you mean what you say.
You're just gonna ignore the fact I said and have been saying I supported it huh? Fucking Russia lovers with no understanding of nuance
if person.beliefs != NatoPropaganda:person.status = RussiaLoverErm...
if person.beliefs != RussianPropaganda:person.status = NATOLoverIm actually surprised that you could read the runes, interesting.
However I never said that you loved NATO lmao you just uncritically consume *and parrot their propaganda about Russia being le big evil in this situation.
Would you support America invading and drone striking the Middle East because separatists in a single province were being oppressed by their native government and wanted US help? How is this any different? Would you support Kazakhstan invading all of China for oppressing Uyghurs in Xinjiang who wanted to break away (which I know you love to deny but is very much a reality even if exaggerated by MSM)?
So lemmy get this straight, NATO going across a few oceans and continents to destroy a country of brown people in another white supremacist crusade for resources, as they do, is the same as...
A country filled with a certain ethnic group wanting to invade a region on their doorstep because NATO is fortifying it as a strongpoint to destroy it, and a bunch of Nazis are slaughtering civilians of the said same ethnic group within the said region?
So basically exaggerated bullshit reports from MSM and Adrian Zenz of people being put in vocational schools is the same as Azov mass murdering innocent civilians?
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Are you suggesting that the majority of Uyghurs support ETIM. Furthermore, ARE you stating that you personally support the self determination of the ETIM movement?
I have no idea and it is obviously a hypothetical if they did.
Yeah that's abundantly clear
If I said that I supported people's rights to sell marijuana and I didn't even think they should get much jail time for it, people would rightly point out that I was lying about my support.
You stated that you supported self determination for people in the Donbas, and I didn't ignore it at all, I'm saying that even within the same post you proved that you actually didn't when you referred to their allies entering their territory as an invasion.
Again, I'm not ignoring anything, I just think you're a liar and that you only started pretending to support the Donbas's self determination because doing otherwise would undermine the point you were trying to make about Taiwan.
Ok keep trying to read between the lines and make presumptions about what I believe... typical dishonest liberal
You're literally mad at me for NOT reading between the lines and assuming you meant something other than what you said, asshole.
I've said I supported Donbas a thousand times genius you people just don't understand nuance.
But you gotta acknowledge that calling Russia's intervention an "invasion" is antithetical to supporting Donbas.
Still hung up on me using the wrong word huh?
Yeah because it betrays your actual beliefs
Cringe.
Uncritically consuming the narrative pushed by western media is hella cringe.
You keep saying that you support it and then adding caveats that prove that you actually don't.
"I support Tom's claim that he owns this house and would only want brief jail time for Susan's breaking and entering through the unlocked front door when he invited her over to help protect him from his neighbors Steve, who keeps shooting at him. That said, Susan went way too far when she also did a breaking and entering into Steve's yard to attack him while he continued to shoot at Tom while shouting 'That house is rightful Steve property and Tom the cockroach can scurry back to Susan's house.'"
If someone said this, the only logical conclusion is that they actually fully support Steve and are lying about supporting Tom.
The kingdom of your God is not socialist, it is a monarchy.
Keep pretending Catholicism has anything to do with socialism.
this isn't your home instance either
why do you have a right to be here that others lack?
“brigade”
whatever you say dude, the post was on our feed
Surprise surprise, libs arrogantly assuming they're the default and pearl-clutching about being "brigaded" because they got exposed to ideas that don't fit the narrative they've swallowed, exactly the way they always do. Vapid, self-centered actors through and through.
Millionaire journalists paid to lie and distort by billionaire executives told me that China is bad, therefore everyone on Earth believes this or they are insane. I am extremely intelligent.
To be fair, it's not like there was any sort of coordination or plan. We've been complaining about how Lemmy's current active algorithm tends to promote these sort of comment-intensive, days-long threads before federation, and now a chunk of the fediverse gets to experience the fun of a patented Hexbear struggle session. Hopefully the Lemmy devs can tune the algorithm to discourage this sort of thread getting stuck in active which thereby encourages protracted struggle.
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How is it brigading when this is one of the top threads on active when browsing hexbear? How is it brigading at all when we can see posts from other instances naturally, without having to jump between them? This isn't reddit.
Surprise surprise, yet another nerd who doesn't understand how federation works.
Learn how federation works, or better yet, go back to reddit.
Is there a way to observe inter-instance comment/vote trafic with relation to a specific post or instance ?
No idea. Doesn't really matter though, federation means that federated instances share the space.
If it didn't matter, there wouldn't be so much squabbling regarding defederation
What do you mean?
The federation isn't actually a shared space. There's no space between the instances. It's all happening from one instance into another.
That's why we're seeing claims of brigadi ng in this thread. Regardless of if it's true or not, As long as we don't have the tools to observe this traffic at a whole and see the trends, those claim will persist because they remain unverifiable by the average commenter.
Is it possible to block all users from an instance at once?
Yes, by logging off.
Haha good one!
I could be wrong, but I don't think there is at the moment.
Have you tried shutting your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears and singing loudly
Haha good one!
Ty 😊
Fyi if someone comes across this - best approach on regular lemmy now seems to be to have account with an instance like https://sopuli.xyz/ which has defederated hexbear, lemmygrad, etc. Kbin and some frontend apps allow this as well.
ill let you in on a secret. the posters at hexbear are all machines. they are posting machines hooked up to typing machines hooked up to internet machines hooked up to lib machines (you). you eat their post. they are making their shitposts immanent with your brain. they do not organize, or brigade, for they are a body without organs, pure potential posting energy that is being excreted in excess where desired. shifting in and out, de/ reterritorializing the posting space. the coils of the shit serpent are far more complex than the borrows of the molehill. welcome to the society of hexbear.
lol shut the fuck up canuck
Can say the same to you, go outside and touch grass.
LMAO shut the actual fuck up canuck, thank god I'm not from your shithole country
I grew up in Canada, it’s pretty fucked up that I’ll be lumped in with people like this dumbass forever
Its alright man, people will quickly learn you're one of the good ones.
You are brigading as well. This isn’t your instance
I thought they weren't even federated with anybody...at least I can't see their communities in the list.
Hexbear is federated to the instance where this was posted. You are a visitor in this thread. Hexbear users are also visitors here.
Yes, I see now that you've recently federated with most instances. My instance is federated with hexbear.net, why don't your communities show in the communities search? or e.g. if I specifically search for chapotraphouse it shows 0 subscribers. Are the servers still synchronizing?
I think the search only works once the communities are cached on your instance or something.
Ok, that makes sense, a few hours ago I couldn't even find the communities, now I can see the posts in the communities I know the name of, but no comments yet. Well, it's getting there, I guess :)
The 0 subscribers you see is in terms of subscribers from your instance to that community. Not the actual subscribers the community has in the whole fediverse
Good remark, probably correct, but it's not just that either, I go into the version of chapotraphouse from my instance and see no comments anywhere, but when I see the community from hexbear, the same post has 32 comments, still some syncing underway. That and I can still only find hexbear communities by their name and not with a "hexbear" search. I've tested this from two different instances that have not blocked hexbear.
I've noticed the same thing. A lot of comments on federated posts just do not show when viewed from another instance, but do show up when viewed from an account that is part of that instance the post was made from. It's really annoying and I'm pretty sure it's a common lemmy bug but most people just don't realize it because most people never try viewing the same post with accounts on different instances because there shouldn't be any need to.
It can be pretty drastic too. Like only 4 comments seen vs 40 comments actually being there. It makes me wonder what comments I'm not seeing on other instances and what comments of mine people on other instances aren't seeing.
I guess then it would be great to open an issue describing the whole issue on the GitHub Lemmy repository. At the end of the day! It's a FOSS software maintained by the people for the people.
Yeah, I might do that, but I think they're already aware. I looked at some lemmy help communities back when I first noticed the issue during the reddit blackout, and there were a number of other people already talking about the problem. It was mostly people making their own instances because they were testing their newly-made instances with more established instances and realizing tons of comments were missing depending on which accounts they were logged into.
We were having some outages for a bit over at hexbear maybe that's the issue?