The situation in africa is also complicated regarding racism on the side of chinese workers, especially in the corona crisis, as black workers are seen as dirty and disease spreading and are treated accordingly. (There actually is a source for that, but i'll have to search for it again, as i didnt write it down)
Edit: looks like the situation for all black people in china is like that: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/05/china-covid-19-discrimination-against-africans
do those diplomats take money from the US state department? have you looked at their connections to the US military industrial complex? the NGO complex?, etc etc
These diplomats also take money from chinese sources in a lot of cases, as china is way more economically active in the region, they wouldnt risk this economic support over mere american propaganda.
But you dont really know do you? you just did a google search and found the first thing that confirmed your bias.
Doing a 5 minut google and taking the first link you find isn't serious research on a subject like china which is heavily propagandised in the west. The sheer scope of western propaganda apparatus eludes many people and its easy to get conned..
Edit: also just want to point out, im not saying theres no racism in China, most cultures have some element of racism in them, and even for nations that have begun socialist projects
(or claim to depending on how you view china) it can take decades to erode the barrieres between people. My problem was purely your sourcing which revealed a lack of understanding about the foe you are up against (western hegemony and its virtue signaling)
I didnt link the first thing confirming my bias, i was searching for the source i remembered for my claim regarding treatment of ssa citizens in the ssa region by chineses workers. And i thought i could link hrw on a well documented topic. You not giving me sources you'd accept doesnt help at all btw. Just tell me that you dont want your bubble burst, im trying to have a honest dicussion, no need for the aggression dude..
Edit: thats why im asking which sources you'd accept on this, so i can base it on these, i know thst there is a lot of misinformation regarding china, but its not only by western media, also by chinese media.
Edit: thats why im asking which sources you’d accept on this, so i can base it on these, i know thst there is a lot of misinformation regarding china, but its not only by western media, also by chinese media.
Note, that even chinese language media can be owned by capital interest aligned with US imperialists, I know that these are not easy satisfying answers and I can't really give you a list of approved outlets (cause so many are tied to western capital and its imperialist cooperators), typically its follow the money, research the source, find the counter arguments, its not a 5 minut job, its hours and days.
Okay, yeah i know its really complicated to find out the underlying political agenda. And i honestly just dont have the time to check every source this indepth.
I thought that maybe you have already done the analysis on some media outlets, so that there would be some known to be atleast somewhat acceptable.
Soo .. idk, shall i try to find some more sources?
I know of the official diplomatic complaints though and imo, based on how much chinese investion money is flowing into the complaining countries, it would be unreasonable for these governments to issue complaints without a proper reason. There may honestly also be a framework of competitive elites at place in some of the complaining countries, that would make us influence into these complaints more likely again, but i cant find a concrete list on what the countries are exactly rn (so i could check these countries' characteristics).
The situation in africa is also complicated regarding racism on the side of chinese workers, especially in the corona crisis, as black workers are seen as dirty and disease spreading and are treated accordingly. (There actually is a source for that, but i'll have to search for it again, as i didnt write it down)
Edit: looks like the situation for all black people in china is like that: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/05/china-covid-19-discrimination-against-africans
Human rights watch is a NED funded CIA cut out, not credible on anything
That's why I get an my information about China from the unbiased Epoch Times!
/s obviously
lol, falun gong, and victims of communism are clearly the go to source for understanding Chinese society /s
I love that they have a literal swastika in their logo, but Wikipedia doesn't mention that they're Nazis until like paragraph 8.
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Which sources would you accept? Because this problematic is well documented..
you re-stating hrw talking points doesn't make it anymore real.
Theres a diplomatic complaint by a lot of countries of the ssa region* regarding treatment of their citizens in china and thats not based on hrw..
*Edit
do those diplomats take money from the US state department? have you looked at their connections to the US military industrial complex? the NGO complex?, etc etc
These diplomats also take money from chinese sources in a lot of cases, as china is way more economically active in the region, they wouldnt risk this economic support over mere american propaganda.
Edit: misread your message, i'll look into it..
But you dont really know do you? you just did a google search and found the first thing that confirmed your bias.
Doing a 5 minut google and taking the first link you find isn't serious research on a subject like china which is heavily propagandised in the west. The sheer scope of western propaganda apparatus eludes many people and its easy to get conned..
Edit: also just want to point out, im not saying theres no racism in China, most cultures have some element of racism in them, and even for nations that have begun socialist projects (or claim to depending on how you view china) it can take decades to erode the barrieres between people. My problem was purely your sourcing which revealed a lack of understanding about the foe you are up against (western hegemony and its virtue signaling)
I didnt link the first thing confirming my bias, i was searching for the source i remembered for my claim regarding treatment of ssa citizens in the ssa region by chineses workers. And i thought i could link hrw on a well documented topic. You not giving me sources you'd accept doesnt help at all btw. Just tell me that you dont want your bubble burst, im trying to have a honest dicussion, no need for the aggression dude..
Edit: thats why im asking which sources you'd accept on this, so i can base it on these, i know thst there is a lot of misinformation regarding china, but its not only by western media, also by chinese media.
Note, that even chinese language media can be owned by capital interest aligned with US imperialists, I know that these are not easy satisfying answers and I can't really give you a list of approved outlets (cause so many are tied to western capital and its imperialist cooperators), typically its follow the money, research the source, find the counter arguments, its not a 5 minut job, its hours and days.
Okay, yeah i know its really complicated to find out the underlying political agenda. And i honestly just dont have the time to check every source this indepth. I thought that maybe you have already done the analysis on some media outlets, so that there would be some known to be atleast somewhat acceptable.
Soo .. idk, shall i try to find some more sources? I know of the official diplomatic complaints though and imo, based on how much chinese investion money is flowing into the complaining countries, it would be unreasonable for these governments to issue complaints without a proper reason. There may honestly also be a framework of competitive elites at place in some of the complaining countries, that would make us influence into these complaints more likely again, but i cant find a concrete list on what the countries are exactly rn (so i could check these countries' characteristics).
not trying to be aggressive, apologies if it comes off that way
Okay, no worries then, it came off like that a bit, but that may also be on me..