This actually doesn't seem too bad. In a way it's like a mini digital detox. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Kinda weird to see ppl here acting like it's "psycho" to try this. Humans haven't had any kind of tech for 99.99% of their history, so kinda of just being alone with your thoughts has been the norm and what we basically evolved with. What's actually "psycho" is thinking that constantly having something entertaining at your call and beckon is normal. To anyone that thinks otherwise, take a deep breath, step back, and really look inward and do some self-crit.
It's only because it seems to be associated with red-pill stuff that ppl here seem to be so annoyed with it. If it was a marxist that advocated this, would ppl really be so upset? I could easily see Breht from Rev Left advocating for something like this. Honestly this just seems like "bad guy does stuff, so I don't like" shit. Once again, the western left is basically just "vibes" and "feels" in a weirdly idealist way.
The weird part to me isn’t the digital detox, it’s doing it on a plane. If you went for a walk in the woods and left your phone at home I totally understand. Sitting out in a hammock with just your thoughts, sure. But a flight? With that constant roaring sound plus the noise of 200 people? Miss me with that.
From my experience most ppl on airplanes are pretty quiet.
have you never met a baby? because there's usually at least one screaming baby, various chatter, slightly too loud intercom announcements, etc. and that's all on the mid-price airlines not the budget.
Well, if you’re forced to be there, make the most of it? Actually you’re right, I would way rather try to deal with everything while stuck on a plane and then have some free time to be in the woods, but executive disfunction, so…
if a Marxist recommended this I would still find it weird
also the no snacks and no bathroom breaks bit is objectively weird
also your point about not having digital devices or books or anything for thousands of years is silly because we haven't had planes for thousands of years either
Right wingers always make something maybe a little medicinal and good into something a little bit extra weird that a marxist or any normal person would just never think of.
anxiety is often a straight up neurological disorder. telling someone with that to meditate is analogous to telling someone with adhd to just buy a planner.
of course it's possible to get good at meditating with anxiety, but it's a very uphill battle that's done despite one's anxiety and not because of it. It's definitely something you would pursue for other reasons and have to overcome anxiety for, not a form of (generalized) self medication. I'm also sure it works for some people with anxiety but I'm sick of a few people managing to "fix" their own disorders being touted as role models.
I’m pretty anxious myself. Meditation helps a lot. It’s not the only thing, but I do it everyday and feel less anxious than I otherwise would. I don’t think I’ve “fixed” myself, I don’t see anything wrong with myself. Meditation helps living with anxiety (and ironically ADHD). Meditation is not a panacea, but while it takes effort, it can help many things. There are many forms of meditation and everyone is capable if they put in effort. OCD specifically (like what the person I replied to is talking about maybe) in has reputable mindful methods of helping. I recommend ‘Mindfulness OCD workbook’ and ‘You are not a rock.’ I fought the urge to be hostile because I’m annoyed with people saying “it’s privileged to give any advice” when people’s actions have consequences for themselves. I don’t blame anyone for anything because we are products of our material conditions, but I try to be a good influence.
sorry it's hard to tell tone over the internet so it's hard to tell if someone is recommending something in a "this can help" way or a "you need to do this or else you're not even trying" kind of way.
Of course. I meant recommending as in “if either you or the person I was replying to are interested in actually learning about meditation for people with mental illness then here’s some good sources.”
O wait, you meant in the initial message. I didn’t mean “you fool, you should be meditating if you don’t want to have those thoughts rather than using them as an excuse,” but “ya know, despite being a little counterintuitive it might actually help.”
No problem, just everyday neurodivergent overclarification for fear of being misunderstood. Big fan of good faith discussion for that and other reasons.
"this is how we've always lived so it's good" 1) specious reasoning 2) false premise, the airplane is the very symbol of modernity. as an experience, flying economy on a commercial airline bears the most resemblance to a voyage at sea, which was far from a common experience for most people and also the most surefire way we had to drive someone absolutely insane. 3) books
well you did kinda, just not exactly. It wasn't that it was good to live without devices but that you argued that we didn't need them because we haven't had them for most of history, which if you point to sea travel as they said really shows how essential keeping yourself busy is
I think its only because many/most people see flights as stressful unpleasant environments, not conducive to meditation or quiet relaxation. I don't think its a sign of masculine strength or whatever to sit through a shitty flight with no distractions, but its not "psycho" either, I'm sure it works for some people. Shit sometimes I've done it accidentally, it's the bragging about it and telling everyone about how many jealous DMs you get that is really stupid.
This actually doesn't seem too bad. In a way it's like a mini digital detox. I don't really see anything wrong with it. Kinda weird to see ppl here acting like it's "psycho" to try this. Humans haven't had any kind of tech for 99.99% of their history, so kinda of just being alone with your thoughts has been the norm and what we basically evolved with. What's actually "psycho" is thinking that constantly having something entertaining at your call and beckon is normal. To anyone that thinks otherwise, take a deep breath, step back, and really look inward and do some self-crit.
It's only because it seems to be associated with red-pill stuff that ppl here seem to be so annoyed with it. If it was a marxist that advocated this, would ppl really be so upset? I could easily see Breht from Rev Left advocating for something like this. Honestly this just seems like "bad guy does stuff, so I don't like" shit. Once again, the western left is basically just "vibes" and "feels" in a weirdly idealist way.
The weird part to me isn’t the digital detox, it’s doing it on a plane. If you went for a walk in the woods and left your phone at home I totally understand. Sitting out in a hammock with just your thoughts, sure. But a flight? With that constant roaring sound plus the noise of 200 people? Miss me with that.
On the plane sound is really audible. From my experience most ppl on airplanes are pretty quiet.
have you never met a baby? because there's usually at least one screaming baby, various chatter, slightly too loud intercom announcements, etc. and that's all on the mid-price airlines not the budget.
Well, if you’re forced to be there, make the most of it? Actually you’re right, I would way rather try to deal with everything while stuck on a plane and then have some free time to be in the woods, but executive disfunction, so…
if a Marxist recommended this I would still find it weird also the no snacks and no bathroom breaks bit is objectively weird
also your point about not having digital devices or books or anything for thousands of years is silly because we haven't had planes for thousands of years either
Right wingers always make something maybe a little medicinal and good into something a little bit extra weird that a marxist or any normal person would just never think of.
I don't want to be left alone with my thoughts because I've got shitty/disturbing/problematic thoughts
All the more need for meditation.
anxiety is often a straight up neurological disorder. telling someone with that to meditate is analogous to telling someone with adhd to just buy a planner.
of course it's possible to get good at meditating with anxiety, but it's a very uphill battle that's done despite one's anxiety and not because of it. It's definitely something you would pursue for other reasons and have to overcome anxiety for, not a form of (generalized) self medication. I'm also sure it works for some people with anxiety but I'm sick of a few people managing to "fix" their own disorders being touted as role models.
I’m pretty anxious myself. Meditation helps a lot. It’s not the only thing, but I do it everyday and feel less anxious than I otherwise would. I don’t think I’ve “fixed” myself, I don’t see anything wrong with myself. Meditation helps living with anxiety (and ironically ADHD). Meditation is not a panacea, but while it takes effort, it can help many things. There are many forms of meditation and everyone is capable if they put in effort. OCD specifically (like what the person I replied to is talking about maybe) in has reputable mindful methods of helping. I recommend ‘Mindfulness OCD workbook’ and ‘You are not a rock.’ I fought the urge to be hostile because I’m annoyed with people saying “it’s privileged to give any advice” when people’s actions have consequences for themselves. I don’t blame anyone for anything because we are products of our material conditions, but I try to be a good influence.
sorry it's hard to tell tone over the internet so it's hard to tell if someone is recommending something in a "this can help" way or a "you need to do this or else you're not even trying" kind of way.
Of course. I meant recommending as in “if either you or the person I was replying to are interested in actually learning about meditation for people with mental illness then here’s some good sources.”
O wait, you meant in the initial message. I didn’t mean “you fool, you should be meditating if you don’t want to have those thoughts rather than using them as an excuse,” but “ya know, despite being a little counterintuitive it might actually help.”
thank you for clarifying, based rare patient internet user
No problem, just everyday neurodivergent overclarification for fear of being misunderstood. Big fan of good faith discussion for that and other reasons.
yes same
I don't think it's "psycho", but I only heard about it from dudes I come off as kind of chuddish flexing about it on social media.
They aren't even staying away from electronics though! They're still staring at a screen, just a relatively boring one with flight info on it.
"this is how we've always lived so it's good" 1) specious reasoning 2) false premise, the airplane is the very symbol of modernity. as an experience, flying economy on a commercial airline bears the most resemblance to a voyage at sea, which was far from a common experience for most people and also the most surefire way we had to drive someone absolutely insane. 3) books
Uh I didn't say that.
oh okay nvm
well you did kinda, just not exactly. It wasn't that it was good to live without devices but that you argued that we didn't need them because we haven't had them for most of history, which if you point to sea travel as they said really shows how essential keeping yourself busy is
I think its only because many/most people see flights as stressful unpleasant environments, not conducive to meditation or quiet relaxation. I don't think its a sign of masculine strength or whatever to sit through a shitty flight with no distractions, but its not "psycho" either, I'm sure it works for some people. Shit sometimes I've done it accidentally, it's the bragging about it and telling everyone about how many jealous DMs you get that is really stupid.