• xiaoping_showdown [he/him]
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        In the article, Means says:

        A lopsided emphasis on humans by humans--the Europeans' arrogance of acting as though they were beyond the nature of all related things--can only result in a total disharmony and a readjustment which cuts arrogant humans down to size, gives them a taste of that reality beyond their grasp or control and restores the harmony. There is no need for a revolutionary theory to bring this about; it's beyond human control.

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        Mother Earth has been abused, the powers have been abused, and this cannot go on forever. No theory can alter that simple fact. Mother Earth will retaliate, the whole environment will retaliate, and the abusers will be eliminated. Things come full circle, back to where they started. That's revolution. And that's a prophecy of my people, of the Hopi people and of other correct peoples.

        So to answer that question, it's not defeatist per se. It's utopian.

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        I'm not well versed in the anthropology of China for example so i can't really address that part but the main point of the article imo - and it makes sense if you read up about indigenous struggle in the americas - is that authoritarian Marxism is incompatible with their cultural heritage as it looks at nature as a resource the same way capitalism does.

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            Looking at all the tankies drooling over industrialization right in this thread, looking at China's activities in Africa i don't think it's reductive at all.

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      Is there any part of this article in particular you care to defend? Because as far as I can tell, it is definitely anprim, and definitely has a lot of bullshit in it.

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        I want to add that I am not saying there is nothing of value in the piece. There is historical information of value because it is very common for proponents of a political system to downplay or ignore negative aspects of that system.

        What I am saying is that we are in a leftist (largely Marxist) space, and discussing an anti-industrial, anti-intellectual, and utopian set of ideas. So what attitude do you expect to see other than dismissal?

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          I mean i expected nothing less from internet ML's than outright disrespect for other people's autonomy.

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            • Divine_Chaos100 [none/use name]
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              So you think the Wet'suwet'en are fighting for their private property? What about Standing Rock? The defacement of Mt. Rushmore was merely an infraction on others' private property? Don't be ridiculous.

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    • soufatlantasanta [any]
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      well it reminds me of the sub's struggle sessions whenever intersectional/racial issues got posted so yay for making this place as similar to it as possible