The lib meltdown would be glorious. Usually not a fan of Erdogan or NATO, but this would be so funny
Article 5 doesn't exist. NATO does whatever the US wants at any moment, it doesn't matter what any article or contract says.
Even taking it at face value, wouldn't Isn'treal have to attack Turkey first?
Erdogan says this stuff just about every week. Not this exact thing, but he'll express something pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli and then either do nothing or do a very small action, usually reversing it quietly. Turkey has the capacity to cripple Israel at any time if they cut off oil flowing there, btw. Erdogan doesn't even have to do anything involving direct military confrontation. Just shutdown the oil flow from Turkey to Israel. They'd be fucked. I mean I assume Biden would be immediately doing cost analysis on flying helicopters and cargo planes with barrels of oil to Israel ... but yeah. Turkey and Erdogan hold a lot of power and will exercise approximately none of it. He just has to please the majority pro-Palestinian Turkish population. Turkey is another puppet of the US even if that's a hard thing for some to admit. They have been for a long time
Erdogan will huff and puff and sell $50 million in missiles to Israel
Article 5 provides that if a NATO Ally is the victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.
over/under on this:
a) dissolving NATO
b) getting Turkiye removed from NATObc I assume it doesn't result in NATO member states doing anything to Isntreal
theres so thing called article 5, Jack(Israel Attacks a NATO member)
There was a lot of discussion about the possibility of Italy becoming communist and how to prepare against that. There are expulsion or suspension mechanisms and those were considered to be off the table as an addition, so the general idea was that if a nation is not fulfilling the “values” of the charter or able to be expected to fulfill obligations it has no expectation of having the obligations to it met.
Another point that was raised in the context of a member state becoming communist is that would likely leave anyways, which deflated some of the worry about not having a removal mechanism explicitly laid out.
They would just argue Israel is the victim of Turkish aggression and not the other way around so Article 5 doesn’t apply even if Israel retaliates.
In theory precedent says who attacked first didn't matter. The US was bombing Afghanistan for 20 years, but when 911 happened the US invoked article 5 and every single NATO country had to donate blood to the cause and suffered fatalities in Afghanistan.
They'd take (b) because the only thing Euros hate more than each other is Muslims.
If he was going to help or intervene he would have done so already. All bark and no bite.
This is one of the most insane Erdogan comments, am I wrong? This can't be serious.
On face value this is the sanest Erdogan comment. There is nothing wrong with international multilateral intervention to stop an ongoing genocide
Yes it is entirely too sane to be a statement in international politics talking about actually doing something so it has to be a complete lie
Yeah, but he doesn't actually give a shit. Erdogan is happy being a NATO puppet and ethnically cleansing northern Syria
he is never serious. he says stuff that his supporters want to hear, then does the complete opposite.
Not saying it's gonna happen but all the "Russia this" and "Russia that" talk over the years only to result in Israel destabilizing and causing friction in NATO with their genocidal settler avarice would be extremely funny.
"I'm gonna close Guantanamo"
