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The Left In The Us Is Really Diverse
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Come on Hasan definitely doesn't belong on that list, the pedo, zionist and grifter liberals hate his guts and for that reason alone he's cool
"rich" would have to be way more extreme (be more in control of the means of production) to get on the level of "pedo" and "zionist". like owning Twitch, not when they could ban you at any moment. sure he has enough social capital to survive transition to another platform but his earnings would surely take a significant hit
Thats too far fetched, all that matters is that he has the control and can abuse that control. So I would say this is extreme enough.
So I wouldn't say it is extreme at all.
this part makes me think you misread my comment because it's agreeing with me? taking it as a given that you know what I mean by "means of production", consider that class is not something where you can only be in one category
Marxism is dialectic, it rejects absolute pure categories. Things sort of exist on a spectrum but sort of don't. The way Marxists use categories is to understand that everything is connected to each other through a series of quantifiable interconnected steps, but that something is always dominant, and this dominant aspect is what determines the overall quality of the thing in question.
If you're trying to shove everything into a pure category of absolutely worker, absolutely capitalist, then this is just a useless endeavor. When we talk of "worker" or "capitalist," we don't mean it as if these are pure categories, where a worker can't ever own capital, or that a capitalist can't ever do labor. They may do these things, they may exist somewhere in between. But clearly at some point, certain characteristics become dominant over others. Clearly Jeff Bezos's class interests are not the same as a minimum wage worker, as the latter likely has next to no capital while the former has far more capital than he could ever, by his own labor, afford.
There is no reason to try and shove this person you're describing into a specific absolute box. If they're a salaried worker who runs some very small business / self-employment on the side as supplemental income, you could just say they're a worker with petty bourgeois characteristics. You don't have to say they're absolutely "petty bourgeois" or a "worker". You can just describe that they have characteristics of multiple categories. No reason you cannot do this.
The "control" of what, exactly, and what line is considered too extreme?
Yeah Hasan doesn't deserve to be grouped in with these guys. He agrees with hexbear on like 90% of issues.
He is definitely not a Kamala supporter lol. He's been basically talking non-stop about how terrible her actions and policies are shaping up.
People have posted clips proving he didn't, so you'll have to post a more recent clip than the other person's to prove he did.
Yep, Hasan is on the right side at least 90% of the time, and he's been an absolute force for radicalizing teens and young adults. His presense is important and in no way in the same ballpark as the Fed Pedo Chaser or Mr. Tortellini, Professional Zionist.
Hasan definitely isn't as radical (at least not vocally) as he could be, but he's still more useful than not, to the point I would say this is undue sectarianism.
Well. Streamers by their very nature are going to be more visible. Hard to see organizers on the ground, nationally.
He even had a stroke, which is like +100
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Who do you think are the good organizers and theorists in the US?
This question is literally that Simpsons treehouse of horror bit where Homer Simpson clones himself and asks the clones which of them remembers the way home and shoots the ones who raise their hand.
The closest we've got might be Ajamu Baraka. And I don't know how much longer we even have him for.
Sadly, yes, Imperialism will have to decay a bit more before we start seeing more serious demographic shifts.
I hope you didn't actually take the Christman pill
Okay then you meant it in a bad way not a "this is the vestigal artisan class here to raise our consciousness" or whatever he meant by that shit way carry on
gonna reply to you instead of the Christman hater since that user will just put dogshit in the box and click "reply"
Looking Backward cushvlog, he starts talking about it at the very beginning around four minutes in
he makes a case that he is an artisan in terms of relationship to the means of production, but I don't know where the characterization about "raising consciousness" above comes from, because it's not in this one as far as I can tell.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Podcasterism
What Chris Hedges and Matt Christman and other lefty journalists view as revolutionary activity is little more than entertainment, no matter how self-referential it becomes on this subject. I don't see it as raising consciousness but co-opting rising consciousness for a grift. Christman just wowed us by explaining he was grifting us. I don't see anything particularly groundbreaking about Debord or Fisher apart from their ability to stretch ideas (Debord seems to think media criticism is the most important thing ever invented ISTFG), and a lot of people have criticized how leftists who forego better material for it are just doing advanced media criticism and navel gazing.
Hedges is more like the old guard of lefty journalism that spends all its time worship their celebrities like Daniel Ellsberg (a blatant fed to the point of almost admitting it frequently) and Noam Chomsky (who is Chomsky™️ the premier brand for people who think the US is doing radlibs a favor by letting them speak and is better than nasty authoritarian countries, and just like Coca Cola even people who think they don't agree with the branding drink it up). I'm not saying he's also jokerpilled. I'm saying the jokerpill's not as wacky or new as it seems.
You take away downvotes from yourself only to come crawling back to them in emote form. I love it.
It at least has more accountability this way. I genuinely could not parse a good 2/3 of your reply.
Accountability is already handled by mods checking who upvotes 👍
labor intensive, our hexbear janitors have enough on their plate that they don't do that routinely.
Christman literally said podcasters were part of a "vestige of the artisan class" but whatever it's not like anyone else here even knows about the shit they pretend to like anyways
I was basically saying the more the Global South pushes back, and the worse conditions in the US get because of this, the more people will turn to organizing.
If that's problematic, I'm willing to self-crit, I'm no theory expert and I'd love to learn.
I'm not a theory expert I barely understand what I read
Hexbears when you take any shot at their parasocial friendships with
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Tbh this is a bait post. Regardless of your opinon on Hasan, he's clearly not in the same league as the CP advocates and people who want to glass Palestine.
He has a million dollar mansion and a 200k Porsche. He's not on the same level as actual pedos but come on lol
million dollar mansion
That is called a house in a city.
If that's his house holy shit it's really not that big of a house lol. 2 mil gets you not much these days
This is what 1 mil gets you. Houses are expensive.
Show
He has a million dollar mansion
i thought he owned a mansion in LA, wouldn't it be way more than that? fairly normal houses are getting up to a million these days depending on the location
He doesn’t own a mansion. It’s a nice house, but the price is mainly just that it’s in LA, plus like giant housing bubble prices everywhere.
If you can name anyone other than Walter white you need to log off.
I'm trying to imagine a person that knows all these people but doesn't know what breaking bad is.
I'm sure I could come up with names for all of these people. Onson Sweemey, Darryl Archideld, Jeromy Gride, Scott Dorque, Bobson Dugnutt, Mario McRlwain, Sleve McDichael, Tim Sandaele, and Michael Parenti. Easy.
The top row is all MAGA communist guy and the bottom row has 3 obsessive debaters and Hasan?
Even the hexbear emotes provide us with photographic evidence that Hasan is not like the others. They collaborate with each other but Hasan has no relation to them.Hasan used to stream with Destiny back in 2019. They had collaboration streams with Hasan, Destiny, and Andy Milonakis of the Andy Milonakis show on MTV. This was before Hasan was a big streamer and before he quit TYT, I believe. Destiny hadn't been banned from twitch yet. In 2019, Destiny used to be a game streamer and he presented himself as a centrist type guy who was interested in learning about leftist politics. The implication of the co-streams was that Hasan was going to teach Destiny about leftism. I remember seeing video of the 3 of them and Hasan trying to explain Marxism to Destiny. Not long after, Destiny did a full back stab and accused Hasan of calling his black friends the nword in private. Hasan responds by calling Destiny a "weasley little liar" and that's where this emote comes from.
Destiny has been making up lies and drama about Hasan since 2019.Vaush was banned from twitch in 2018 or 2019. The reason that he was banned from twitch was that he had said that the US military should invade Israel to protect Palestinians. He might have also said the US should nuke Israel, I'm not 100% sure on my memory. It's weird that Vaush thought that the US foreign policy would protect Palestinians but also surprising that Vaush claims to support Palestine. Since Vaush was banned from twitch so early, Hasan never really interacted much. Though, Hasan has always distanced himself from Vaush, particularly because Vaush has such fervent support for American foreign policy and for the Democratic party.
Keffals is a friend of Vaush. Hasan has intentionally avoided talking to or about Keffals for years. I think he knew something was weird about her politics. He reluctantly talked about her in 2022 (I think) when Keffals was being harassed by k*wifarms. After that, Keffals has done a "why I left the left" bit and claimed that Marxism is a cult, among other things.
Hinkle is probably a fed. There are chat logs in Hasan's twitch chat which shows him being supportive of Hasan. This was before Hinkle made the MAGA communism turn and before he appeared on Tucker Carlson.
On this list of people, Hasan is the only one who has had consistent analysis. Everyone else there is a flip flopper. The accusation that Hasan is liberal or a grifter is completely baseless. A grifter is someone who promotes opinions that they don't believe for money. He has been saying that same things for like 10 years now, so that would indicate that he's not doing it for the money because he was doing it before it was making money. Hasan also continued to do news coverage in support of Palestine after October 7 and raised over a million dollars for Gaza aid, which caused his average audience to shrink by 1/3 in size, which indicates that he's consistent on his views even when it loses money. Also he's never promised or claimed to be a leader of Leftism, he's just a guy who reports the news and tells his audience to form unions and do their own political actions, such as the campus encampments in California which he attended himself and interviewed people from the encampments more than once. Also Hasan doesn't invest in wealth or hire employees because he doesn't want to be called a capitalist. His merch is union made. His youtube editors get all of the youtube revenue. He doesn't even do TTS donations on twitch anymore. He gets payed by amazon for his news reporting and amazon forces him to show ads or optionally you can pay $6 to not see the ads. Or you can just block the ads and he used to say that on stream but now the amazon contracts say that he can't say that. Hasan also has direct contact with journalists from news websites and regularly has them interviewed on stream. Hasan is also friends with all of hexbears favorites: Boyboy and Ididathing, Felix and Will from chapo, Brace from trueanon, Second thought and Yugopnik from The Deprogram, etc. He's consistent with his analysis, he has connections to journalists, and he doesn't invest the money he's payed into capital. What exactly is the grift? He promotes Marxist analysis, he reports the news, and he gets payed for showing ads. If you expected Hasan to be Lenin, then you're the fool. Hasan is just a news reporter who also support Marxism and that's not a grift or liberalism.
Hasan fan, didn’t read
He endorses Kamala and is pro-Ukrainian nazis
That's not true. He hasn't endorsed Kamala. Before Biden dropped out he was doing Kamala memes but that is similar to the "Dark Brandon". Even Hexbear was doing Dark Brandon and coconut memes before democrats co-opted them and made them "in support" of the Democrats instead of against. Some of his videos show him analyzing Kamala's chance to win but that doesn't mean he supports the outcome. He also does analysis of republicans chance to win and makes suggestions for how they could be more likely win. That doesn't mean that he supports Kamala or Republicans. He has said that he won't support Kamala because of her support of Israel and because of her right wing border policy.
He also doesn't support the Ukraine nazis. He's done coverage of the Azov battalion plenty of times. He might lean into support Ukraine, but not in the NATO guy way. Hasan is anti-NATO. He also did coverage about how Russia definitely didn't blow the Nordstrom pipeline. I don't think he really supports either side but he tries to do a framing of like Ukraine being the smaller country. There's lots of liberals who also call Hasan a Russia supporter. You call him a Ukraine supporter. So people interpret his analysis in both ways and I think it doesn't really matter. If his analysis is bad on this one thing, nobody is perfect. You or I don't have to agree with him on every single thing.
He told his viewers to vote for Kamala. I saw the clip. You type way too much shit, I’m not reading all that about a steamer. Condense your ideas
All of Ukraine is a Nazi state, not just Azov. If he supports Ukraine he supports NATO and Nazis, you can’t have it both ways
He told his viewers to vote for Kamala. I saw the clip. You type way too much shit, I’m not reading all that about a steamer. Condense your ideas
Show the clip. I type a lot because I am annoyed by people who intentionally misinterpret me so I try to be very detailed.
Right here from just a few days ago he said that he would need to see Kamala change the policy on Israel in order to tell people to support her. This was also before she released her new "stronger border" campaign policy, which makes her even worse. He has said a lot more against Kamala on twitch but it doesn't make it to youtube.
https://youtu.be/ymCWS9HjGZE?t=786
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
This is honestly the first I'm seeing of "All of Ukraine is a Nazi state". I've heard nazi mutterings in comments before but I don't really follow Ukraine like that apparently. Do you have some suggested reading for someone with an open mind to the facts?
2014 was a Nazi-led putsch, it integrated all neo-Nazi militias into the army and promoted them as generals and leadership. It installed Nazis into positions of secretary of the interior, governors of oblasts, chief of police, mayors and all other levels of civil and military governance. They then went on to ban Russian language and remove all soviet monuments and names, replacing them with pro-Bandera and pro-SS “heroes” of WW2.
Up and down, top to bottom, the entire thing is an American led neo-Nazi project that’s intended as a battering ram against Russia from the outset
Nazis in Ukraine are almost a state-within-a-state. Not everyone in the Ukrainian government or military is a Nazi, but the Nazis are a dominant force.
If you fight alongside a Nazi you are a Nazi. All of the Ukrainian state is therefore Nazis for going along with the goose stepping fascists and aiding them.
Just like American soldiers are terrorists and Daesh because it is them who created, fund, arm, train and facilitate Daesh.
true, but a lemmy user unfamiliar with our takes is not going to infer that's what we mean. They go off back to lemmy and repeat our take secondhand to other people, those people will tear into it because they also won't infer what we mean or give us the benefit of the doubt, and then the person starts to lose confidence in what we have to say.
I even think your take is too generous. 2014 was extremely thorough at embedding fascists at every level of governance. The entire state apparatus is so thoroughly penetrated and controlled by swatstika wearing Nazis that it’s correct to say the entire state is nazi, just as much as Germany in 1944. The “moderate non-Nazi” mythical beast you allude to doesn’t exist, they see the Nazis everywhere and salute just like the German “moderates” we gave West Germany to
It’s not a minority of leadership pulling down the soviet statues and naming streets Bandera. It’s the majoritarian view of the government. There are more bonafide Nazi scum than not.
There are more bonafide Nazi scum than not.
I always heard (or thought I heard) the nazis were only a dominant minority, leading an unresisting but non ideologically committed majority, but I’m realizing I don’t actually know that and I just absorbed that impression ambiently. It’s been a year at least since I followed the situation.
let me slice out a highlight here:
Hasan also continued to do news coverage in support of Palestine after October 7 and raised over a million dollars for Gaza aid, which caused his average audience to shrink by 1/3 in size
I don't watch Hasan, I don't give a fuck what he's up to, one million dollars, straight to Palestine.
Rich people do charity with other people's money all the time. Do you also like Bill Gates?
you, me, and Hasan are all closer in wealth - both in lived experience and in numerical dollar amount - than someone ten times richer than Hasan is to Bill Gates
https://tiltify.com/@hasanabi/palestinian-medical-assistance
You can see that Hasan donated $50k of his own money to Palestine. This is only one of the charities that he did for Palestine but there was at least one more. Hasan doesn't have enough money to just give $1 million to Palestine by himself. Hasan and Bill Gates receive money in fundamentally different ways. Hasan gets payed by amazon for talking to a camera.
Bill Gates gets payed money for owning software that he didn't even write. Also one of the reasons that Bill Gates became so rich was that he was able to exploit software copyright before anyone else. Many people don't know that software was not considered protected by copyright before 1974. In 1975, Bill Gates payed his college room Monte Davidoff to develop a computer program called Altair BASIC. Bill Gates then licensed Altair BASIC to a company called MITS for royalties on every sale up to $180,000. In 1976, Bill Gates wrote "Open Letter to Hobbyists" which a published in many magazines and he complained that all software should be payed for and nobody should have software freely. Bill Gates collects money purely by owning property and paying people to wages to make software for him to own. Bill Gates has had a more negative impact on the progression of computer software technology than maybe anyone in history.
Hasan gets payed money by amazon for talking to a camera. Hasan does the opposite of Bill Gates. You can search for hasanabi on youtube and find over 50 channels which upload clips from his stream. This is because Hasan allows random people to share his clips and even collect money from his clips. There are dozens of other people who collect money by editing and sharing Hasan's stream clips. There have even been times when youtube tried to de-monetise the fan channels and Hasan negotiated with youtube so that the fan channel could still collect money for themselves.
I assume the joke is partially that Hasan gets tons of undue hate despite being pretty much correct on most issues because he happened to be the one who got famous.
The few issues he's "wrong" on (as wrong as non consequential opinions can be...) I believe are meant to temper further insanity from coming his way.
For example, saying Ukraine has a right to defend itself and people should be angry, etc. I'm of a mixed mind on because, no, it really should not exist. But it does exist, so, how should I feel when its borders are challenged? I feel like I've felt for over two years.... just surrender that land to Russia. It's not even a thought in my mind for half a second especially when the people there were (I dunno about now) wanting to get away from Ukraine anyway.
I dunno it just feels like if Canada invaded Idaho and proclaimed it as independent and the people who lived there wanted to be Canadian... like wtf? Yeah, just let that happen.
He still sticks to the "Ukraine's fight is righteous" argument though and refuses to hear anyone say otherwise lumping them under "If you disagree then you must think Russia is in the right." No, I think both governments kinda suck shit. I'm just saying the easiest and best solution, once you remove the frankly moronic obsession with a nation's borders (a ~30 year old nation btw even worse example), is to look at the population's wishes and just go with that. Bam. Done. The only Ukrainians obsessed with fighting forever are the far right wing Nazi types. I just don't get calling their fight righteous or justified unless you are under a delusion that life under Putin is significantly worse than under right wing Ukrainian leaders (seems unlikely) and you're discounting the fact that people there wanted to join Ukraine. I think he says it for political expediency because liberals literally shit their britches at this stuff, but he's still maintaining it even now when the frothing libs are also accepting the inevitable (or getting there). Kinda frustrating but whatever. He does acknowledge them handing over the territory is the most likely end result and has maintained that for quite a while, so, we agree on the end result at least. We just disagree that anyone has a legitimate reason to be fighting in the first place.
I dunno it just feels like if Canada invaded Idaho and proclaimed it as independent and the people who lived there wanted to be Canadian... like wtf? Yeah, just let that happen.
I love that concept, tho...
Wondering what global politics would be like if Canada got cool and opposed the US in any meaningful way.
Smaller population than cali, power plants all within 100km of border, ~4 in 10 love america and desperately want to be them
Yup, it's land invasion time!
You'd think, but you have to remember, even disregarding material (eg. settler-colonialism and resource extraction) and superstructural (eg. shared western identity) basis,
The nation is sandwiched in alliance with Britain, and lives near fucking the U.S.A...
If Canada were to become the new revolutionary North American 'Grenada', both nations would try to soft-coup, if not blaze to the ground the nation
If they can get Australia's Gough Whitlam from a far, who's to say they can't get Canada in the arse?
Ogey, here's a quote:
We waterboard ourselves to sleep so that even our dreams can be attached to reality
They all eat at mcdonalds, the communist restaurant.
We can technically add "grifter" as a descriptor to all of them, 2-holes-haz deserves "manchild" as well. Bit sickening to learn hinkle beat his wife.
thrilled to not have any idea who these people are
Death to America
Wake me up when any of these z class celebrities fund a mutual aid project.
It's like when you walk down the grocery aisle and see "salted" "slightly salted" "salt and vinegar" "salt and vinegar (reduced sodium" and the of course who could forget the plain unseasoned oyster
